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re: Any possible way we can make a move for Steven Adams?
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:59 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:59 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
We paid 2 second rounders and end of bench fodder for Adams. The Bucks paid a first and Hill. We never had the first and Hill, regardless of what the initial reports were.
No, we could have had Hill and other stuff had we gone a different direction. So we paid a 1st for Adams and 2 2nds for Presti to take players he's going to flip or use to drive the tank. The 1st for Stevens isn't bad. The 2 2nds to pay Presti to take guys he's going to flip for a profit pisses me off. It's like the fees on your cable bill, you know they're making it up just to charge you more but you still have to pay it.
The overall trade was a huge win. You increased the value and time horizon of your war chest pretty significantly while keeping the level of present talent comparable to before.
We've been talking about trading Jrue since before he signed his last contract and I don't think anybody ever thought you'd be able to get enough value from him to meet both future and present goals. At the same time Presti bent Griff over for at least a few minutes and I'm sure Griff will remember that when they have future dealings.
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Posted on 11/26/20 at 10:01 am to shel311
What other trade in the history of the NBA is broken into pieces to determine whether or not one part of the deal is an overpay?
If you think
Pels out:
Jrue
2 seconds
Miller
Williams
Gray
Cheatham
Pels in:
Adams
Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected first round picks
24/26 pick swaps
Is an overpay for Adams somehow, I’m not not sure what to tell you
If you think
Pels out:
Jrue
2 seconds
Miller
Williams
Gray
Cheatham
Pels in:
Adams
Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected first round picks
24/26 pick swaps
Is an overpay for Adams somehow, I’m not not sure what to tell you
Posted on 11/26/20 at 10:13 am to Epic Cajun
Well Yea, Tha Bucks grossly overpaid for Jrue.
No matter how you try to parse it out, the 1st from Milwaukee was ours to do what we wanted with, it wasn't negotiated from Milwaukee to OKC. We chose to send it to OKC, not Milwaukee.
No matter how you try to parse it out, the 1st from Milwaukee was ours to do what we wanted with, it wasn't negotiated from Milwaukee to OKC. We chose to send it to OKC, not Milwaukee.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 11:21 am to shel311
I’ve seen a lot of people on here that don’t seem to like getting Adams in the deal and I do t understand why. Yes his contract is expensive but when we are playing against some of the bigger teams you will be glad to have him. We need guys that will go 110% all the time and he’s one of those guys.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 11:37 am to LSU_30A
quote:
and I dont understand why.
Because they think 2nd rd picks & protected lottery picks are super valuable
Despite getting a starting, high quality center under contract for 3 more seasons.
This is why they’ve accumulated picks. Exactly for moves this like this. And they scraped the bottom of the treasure chest to pull this one off.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 11:41 am to Lester Earl
quote:
This is why they’ve accumulated picks.
Exactly right. The people complaining even admit as much yet still complain we got good a really good starting center for 3 years while all of the young pieces develop.
And I REALLY don't get the Hill complaint. Who cares if 0KC flips him for something else. We used our pieces for about max value.
We couldn't have gotten a much better trade while still holding on to all the 1sts that have actual potential value. We gave up the worst one we had. That's drops in a bucket. Those 2nds are condensation at best.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 11:44 am to shel311
quote:
Well Yea, Tha Bucks grossly overpaid for Jrue.
I think it was absolute bananas what they gave up for not that much off an upgrade over Bledsoe. He's at least 85% of what Jrue is. Getting him with the picks was one of the biggest steals of all time.
And I'm NOT saying Jrue is bad. He's really really good. But Bledsoe is also pretty good and much in the same mold.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 11:45 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 11:49 am to LSU_30A
quote:I have no issues with Adams on our team.
I’ve seen a lot of people on here that don’t seem to like getting Adams
Posted on 11/26/20 at 11:53 am to bonethug0180
quote:
And I REALLY don't get the Hill complaint.
They see his 3pt % & melt over it.
He's one of the oldest guards in the league. National perception is he cannot guard anymore, that he is slow and just kind of wants to shoot 3's.
I think he has value to a team. But it's not exactly what Pels talk thinks.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 12:04 pm to Lester Earl
He shot 31% just the year before, a whole 15% lower. And he doesn't take enough for that number to be reliable each year. It has gone up and down quite a bit.
And right he has value to A team, just not OUR team. The Pels have better options for anything he can do, from defense to 3s to scoring to passing, all younger to boot.
And right he has value to A team, just not OUR team. The Pels have better options for anything he can do, from defense to 3s to scoring to passing, all younger to boot.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/26/20 at 12:07 pm to bonethug0180
I went back and looked at the numbers for their career and for the last 4 years and they are actually super close between Bledose and Jrue.
You lose a little size, assists, and scoring, but the loss is very slight.
You lose a little size, assists, and scoring, but the loss is very slight.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:42 pm to shel311
Yep, and I still stand behind that statement.
As a pure center, there's not 5 in the NBA better than Adams.
Add in the fact, basically what we gave up is what the equivalent value of Moore and Hill were last off-season, so, pretty much nailed it.
As a pure center, there's not 5 in the NBA better than Adams.
Add in the fact, basically what we gave up is what the equivalent value of Moore and Hill were last off-season, so, pretty much nailed it.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:53 pm to Soggymoss
quote:So a top 5 center is a center who has little value and should only play 20 minutes a night?
Yep, and I still stand behind that statement.
As a pure center, there's not 5 in the NBA better than Adams.
Add in the fact, basically what we gave up is what the equivalent value of Moore and Hill were last off-season, so, pretty much nailed it.
If by "nailed it" you mean the exact opposite of nailing it, then yes you nailed it.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:57 pm to shel311
You think Adams will only play 20 mpg and has little value?
Or are we talking about someone else?
Or are we talking about someone else?
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:02 pm to shel311
quote:
So a top 5 center
Name me 5 better, and keep in mind pure CENTERS.
And yes, he will play 20-25 minutes a night for us, that's all we need. Hayes will get 12-18 minutes, and the rest of the minutes at the 5 will be soaked up by Melli and Zion.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:02 pm to shel311
Sorry, cant respect your basketball opinion if you think Steven adams is coming here to play 20 mins a game.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:05 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
Name me 5 better, and keep in mind pure CENTERS
So like, only big brutes with no skill? I'm assuming you are saying the kat's and embiids of the world don't count because while they may be better centers for today's game, they aren't "pure" centers or whatever that means?
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:06 pm to bonethug0180
quote:Nah. The poster on page 1 said picking Adams, he could play 20 minutes a night and basically said he had little value. Then in another thread, and now this thread, he also says Adams is a top 5 center.
You think Adams will only play 20 mpg and has little value?
Or are we talking about someone else?
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:07 pm to shel311
Adams only avg'd under 25 mins his rookie year.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:08 pm to Pendulum
quote:Good thing I didn't say that then.
Sorry, cant respect your basketball opinion if you think Steven adams is coming here to play 20 mins a game.
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