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re: Any possible way we can make a move for Steven Adams?
Posted on 11/26/20 at 5:14 am to BigTimer23
Posted on 11/26/20 at 5:14 am to BigTimer23
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Posted on 11/26/20 at 5:15 am to Pelefraan 1
That’s about what I expected. Happy Thanksgiving man
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:25 am to Pelefraan 1
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It's all the picks we gave up that I think is egregious (combined with Hill)
A lottery protected first from a good young team, and a couple seconds?
The reason the Bucks and Lakers picks are valuable is because they are unprotected. There’s no potential that the Denver pick turns into a good pick, it’s always going to be in the second half of the first round.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 6:26 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:28 am to Epic Cajun
Yes, they are good trade pieces.
Adams was on the market for 18 months and no one bit.
If there's no market, why cough up assets you shouldn't need to?
Adams was on the market for 18 months and no one bit.
If there's no market, why cough up assets you shouldn't need to?
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 6:30 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:30 am to Pelefraan 1
You’re arguing hypotheticals, there’s no way to know what else we could’ve received in a trade for those assets. So, unless you have that knowledge, your point doesn’t have any legs to stand on.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:32 am to Epic Cajun
That's what message boards are for, none of us have any inside knowledge
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:37 am to Epic Cajun
Can't we all agree that we overpaid to get Adams, but that maybe it's worth it, because we desperately needed his toughness and vocal leadership on the team? We were a soft team defensively last year, and as great as Jrue was, he was not the vocal leader that we needed. The idea that this could have been known before last season strikes me as unlikely. But we know it not and needed to fix it. It's probably worth overpaying Adams to help make sure that Zion doesn't get bad defensive habits entrenched, that all our young players learn to play the game the right way, because we'll never win a title unless that happens.
Yes, it was an overpay. Stop arguing that. It's also less of an overpay than if we had paid him $25 million last season. And we got Favors then, who we thought would work out a lot better than he did. So, the argument that he messed up by not getting him a year ago is easy in hindsight. There was every reason to think that Favors would succeed.
Yes, it was an overpay. Stop arguing that. It's also less of an overpay than if we had paid him $25 million last season. And we got Favors then, who we thought would work out a lot better than he did. So, the argument that he messed up by not getting him a year ago is easy in hindsight. There was every reason to think that Favors would succeed.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:39 am to Pelefraan 1
Adams was an expiring contract, the Thunder had no reason/motivation to trade him unless they were going to receive assets for him. They weren’t going to just give him away. If they saw no value in him, they would’ve just let him expire after this season, and at that point we would’ve been stuck competing to sign him versus other teams and with a shite ton of cap space out there.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:44 am to GOP_Tiger
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It's also less of an overpay than if we had paid him $25 million last season
Huh? Why are you bringing up some retrospective hypothetical?
What relevance does that have to today?
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 6:45 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:44 am to GOP_Tiger
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Yes, it was an overpay. Stop arguing that.
Nah, shite take. Why do you guys value late firsts so much? And before you say “durr Bucks and Lakers picks”, the only reason they are valuable is because they have potential to become higher picks (and that possibility makes them more valuable for future trades). If we keep them and they are all late firsts, they are shite value.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:47 am to Epic Cajun
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Nah, shite take. Why do you guys value late firsts so much? And before you say “durr Bucks and Lakers picks”, the only reason they are valuable is because they have potential to become higher picks (and that possibility makes them more valuable for future trades). If we keep them and they are all late firsts, they are shite value.
Of course it's the trade value. That's why we're hoarding all these extra picks
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:53 am to Epic Cajun
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Adams was an expiring contract, the Thunder had no reason/motivation to trade him unless they were going to receive assets for him. They weren’t going to just give him away. If they saw no value in him, they would’ve just let him expire after this season, and at that point we would’ve been stuck competing to sign him versus other teams and with a shite ton of cap space out there.
No one is saying get him for free, obviously
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:54 am to Pelefraan 1
Those Lakers and Bucks picks have a ton more value than a lottery protected first that is earlier than all but one of the Lakers/Bucks picks.
I’ve said it in another thread, but it bears repeating the only reason that we’re even having this discussion right now is because of the way that the trade info was leaked. If on 11/16 we heard the entirety of the trade, this convo wouldn’t be occurring.
Pels:
Steven Adams
Eric Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected firsts from MIL
24/26 swaps from MIL
Is a fricking steal for Jrue Holiday and bench fodder.
I’ve said it in another thread, but it bears repeating the only reason that we’re even having this discussion right now is because of the way that the trade info was leaked. If on 11/16 we heard the entirety of the trade, this convo wouldn’t be occurring.
Pels:
Steven Adams
Eric Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected firsts from MIL
24/26 swaps from MIL
Is a fricking steal for Jrue Holiday and bench fodder.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 6:56 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:55 am to Epic Cajun
And omit the other half of the trade
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:57 am to Pelefraan 1
That’s the entirety of the trade from the Pels perspective.
We sent out Jrue and bench fodder and we got back:
Steven Adams (on a reasonable extension)
Eric Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected firsts
24/26 pick swaps
Tell me that’s a bad deal.
Who cares what Milwaukee paid to have the Thunder send Adams to us? Adams was always going to be part of the deal, just because it wasn’t reported at the beginning, doesn’t mean that it was part of it from the beginning.
We sent out Jrue and bench fodder and we got back:
Steven Adams (on a reasonable extension)
Eric Bledsoe
25/27 unprotected firsts
24/26 pick swaps
Tell me that’s a bad deal.
Who cares what Milwaukee paid to have the Thunder send Adams to us? Adams was always going to be part of the deal, just because it wasn’t reported at the beginning, doesn’t mean that it was part of it from the beginning.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 7:00 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:00 am to Pelefraan 1
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Huh? Why are you bringing up some retrospective hypothetical?
Because "See, we should have gotten him a year ago" is an argument that has been made in this thread. I disagree, and was trying to explain why.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:00 am to Epic Cajun
Sent out Hill and 3 good picks too
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:03 am to Epic Cajun
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Nah, shite take. Why do you guys value late firsts so much?
It's not just the picks. It's also the $25 million that we will give him this season. That is literally an overpay. He's not worth that, as evidenced by the lower amounts on his extension.
If we weren't overpaying him by $8 million, we could have used that money for another player.
It's an overpay. Arguing that it isn't is silly. Sometimes, an overpay is still the right move for a team, and as I have said, I think this was a necessary overpay.
This post was edited on 11/26/20 at 7:06 am
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:06 am to Pelefraan 1
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Sent out Hill and 3 good picks too
Sorry, forgot to include the 2 seconds we sent out
. We never had Hill or the other first, those were assets that Milwaukee sent to the Thunder for us to get Adams. Look at it from the perspective of the completed trade, because it was never a 2 team trade between us and Milwaukee, if that was the case it would’ve been completed on the night of the 16th. Just because that’s what was initially reported, doesn’t mean that was fact. We wanted Adams, we made Milwaukee get Adams for us as part of the trade.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:25 am to Epic Cajun
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it was never a 2 team trade between us and Milwaukee, if that was the case it would’ve been completed on the night of the 16th.
it eludes me how people can’t understand this.
hill and 24 (which became a DEN pick) were what it cost MIL to get Adams to New Orleans
three (eventually 4) team deal is a circle. Adams was always coming here along with Bledsoe and the firsts. It’s the way the trade, which was one of the most complex in league history, was reported in pieces that is skewing perception
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