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re: 2022-23 Lakers Thread
Posted on 8/6/22 at 12:18 pm to Bronc
Posted on 8/6/22 at 12:18 pm to Bronc
quote:
They are a few seasons removed from a chip and when healthy still have two top 10ish players(though I’m ready to kick Davis out of that tbh)
Good edit.
He definitely hasn't played like a top-25 player in the last two years. I think that it's an open question whether Davis is in serious decline, or whether his health struggles have simply impacted other areas of his game.
Last year, he shot horribly. He was 19% from 3. His free-throw percentage was 71%, the lowest of his career.
So, maybe people who expect the Lakers to be better this year expect Davis to return to the form he showed in the Lakers' championship season. I personally think that his game is just in an early decline.
Look at his BPM the past four seasons: 9.4, 8.0, 4.8, 3.8.
Or how about WS/48:
.247
.250
.152
.155
So, Davis hasn't played much the last two seasons, but he hasn't played well when he has. Has he simply been unable to get in rhythm because of injuries? Or have accumulated injuries caused a permanent decline in his abilities? Or, alternatively, has getting a ring and getting a huge contract made him complacent and less focused on training and working to be his best?
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 12:29 pm to GOP_Tiger
I mean I hate Davis, but the big problem with him has been health.
He started off last season very well. Take away the one game he left early and he was averaging 25-10-3-2blocks through the first 25 games….then the injuries, then more.
It really does feel like Dwight Howard redux
People keep expecting that he’s too young to decline this much, but by about the third season of it you just sort of have to come to terms with it, and I think that will be this season for AD…unless he can defy it and bounce back, but the whole not even touching a basketball for a month or so doesn’t instill confidence he will..but I get why some writers are hesitant to just write them off yet.
He started off last season very well. Take away the one game he left early and he was averaging 25-10-3-2blocks through the first 25 games….then the injuries, then more.
It really does feel like Dwight Howard redux
People keep expecting that he’s too young to decline this much, but by about the third season of it you just sort of have to come to terms with it, and I think that will be this season for AD…unless he can defy it and bounce back, but the whole not even touching a basketball for a month or so doesn’t instill confidence he will..but I get why some writers are hesitant to just write them off yet.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 1:30 pm to Bronc
quote:dwight was so good so early that the only place to go was down. He was never as dominant as those Orlando years again but still a well above average starter. His motor didn’t seem to run hot enough to be able to sustain that kind of play
It really does feel like Dwight Howard redux
Davis may very well be similar. Once he got a little stature and a lot of money, kicking absolute arse on the court doesn’t seem to matter as much
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:13 pm to cgrand
It’s because Toní is a bitch.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:55 pm to touchdownjeebus
Posted on 8/7/22 at 12:31 pm to cgrand
a Sunday reminder
2023 lakers swap option
2024 unprotected lakers 1st that can be deferred to 2025
Pels own all their own 1sts plus the remaining MIL picks/swaps. At minimum they will have a steady stream of cheap rookie deal talent or they have the ammo to go make a trade. Right now they have enough to trade for a legitimate superstar and still have a contending team, and that won’t change for several years
have a great day
2023 lakers swap option
2024 unprotected lakers 1st that can be deferred to 2025
Pels own all their own 1sts plus the remaining MIL picks/swaps. At minimum they will have a steady stream of cheap rookie deal talent or they have the ammo to go make a trade. Right now they have enough to trade for a legitimate superstar and still have a contending team, and that won’t change for several years
have a great day
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:32 pm to cgrand
Controlling the first round pick of maybe the worst 3 pt shooting team in the league. You hate to see it.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 5:47 pm to cgrand
blessings in all you do.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 11:45 pm to Bronc
quote:
I mean I hate Davis, but the big problem with him has been health.
He started off last season very well. Take away the one game he left early and he was averaging 25-10-3-2blocks through the first 25 games….then the injuries, then more.
It really does feel like Dwight Howard redux
People keep expecting that he’s too young to decline this much, but by about the third season of it you just sort of have to come to terms with it, and I think that will be this season for AD…unless he can defy it and bounce back, but the whole not even touching a basketball for a month or so doesn’t instill confidence he will..but I get why some writers are hesitant to just write them off yet.
Part of it is still being able to play well through injury or with injuries, which he hasn't been doing the past few years:
Games played: 62 -> 36 -> 40 (least ever)
TS%: 61.0 -> 55.6 -> 57.8 (lowest back to back since rookie year and year 4)
PER: 27.4 -> 22.1 -> 23.9 (lowest back to back since rookie year)
WS/48: 0.250 -> 0.152 -> 0.155 (lowest back to back since rookie year)
VORP: 5.4 -> 2.0 -> 2.0 (lowest ever)
Health aside, his decline is looking bad. IDK if its having to carry both ends, but it is not doing well at all.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:04 am to htran90
nm
in a loop.
in a loop.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 8:19 am
Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:41 am to htran90
I think part of it is simply that he needs the right support pieces to look good and the team pissed away all of those to get Westbrook or cut luxury tax costs.
He doesn’t like to play the 5 on defense, he can’t or won’t shoot from 3, etc. Which means you have to keep guys on the roster who really shouldn’t be there (DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, etc) to be the 5 on D, which helps clog the paint for them.
Do I think he will be a superstar with the right support? No, I think that time has passed for him. But he would look a lot better if he stopped being such a pussy about defense so that they could bring in a stretch 4 to play next to him.
He doesn’t like to play the 5 on defense, he can’t or won’t shoot from 3, etc. Which means you have to keep guys on the roster who really shouldn’t be there (DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, etc) to be the 5 on D, which helps clog the paint for them.
Do I think he will be a superstar with the right support? No, I think that time has passed for him. But he would look a lot better if he stopped being such a pussy about defense so that they could bring in a stretch 4 to play next to him.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:08 am to htran90
I think his shooting is arguably as broken as his body. I think AD is done being a top 20 player. He can barely move these days. He legitimately runs like a grandmother and the alleyhoops that used to happen 3 times a game for him, now happen 3 times a month.
He is still very long and now is pretty smart defensively, but AD’s athleticism has declined from being in the top percent of the nba to maybe top 35%? Unless his shooting or skill level increases, I think it is all downhill for AD from here on out.
He is still very long and now is pretty smart defensively, but AD’s athleticism has declined from being in the top percent of the nba to maybe top 35%? Unless his shooting or skill level increases, I think it is all downhill for AD from here on out.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:00 pm to cgrand
quote:
treasury of goatbrook laker highlights
I hate that somehow all of the Lakers flaws get laid on Westbrook, who hadn't missed the playoffs in over a decade.
Yet James gets off blame free when he just missed the playoffs in 2018 surround by Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Rondo, KCP, McGee, Caruso, Hart, Bullock, Chandler..
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:38 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Rondo, KCP, McGee, Caruso, Hart, Bullock, Chandler..
STAWWWWWP..........
But sure lets educate. Top 4 seed, up 20+ on christmas day @Golden State..... Bron gets hurt.
so sure, had some great young talent there...but understand the injuries involved that year + games actually played etc.
It's easy to not understand, rather than to understand... that's the beauty of not understanding
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:39 pm to brmark70816
To add....
Stick to the real reasons why this thread is around.
"Draft picks, lakers failure"...
no real reason to talk about old laker teams or bring Kobe back from the dead or something.... stick to the narrative spilled out in this thread instead of running rapid on random shite.
Stick to the real reasons why this thread is around.
"Draft picks, lakers failure"...
no real reason to talk about old laker teams or bring Kobe back from the dead or something.... stick to the narrative spilled out in this thread instead of running rapid on random shite.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:42 pm to longhorn22
quote:
Stick to the real reasons why this thread is around.
OR you could go find a Lakers board to not have your Lakers fandom offended on. You want to be a Pels fan then be a Pels fan and stop telling us how to talk about your precious Lakers. WTF is wrong with you that you think a Pels board should be sensitive to you being a Lakers fan.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 1:54 pm to TigerinATL
Nah,
2018-2019 has nothing to do with 2022-2023...
Would like to come into this thread to see up to date information and updates...
not random BS about Magic Johnson in 1983 or Eddie Jones in 1995
2018-2019 has nothing to do with 2022-2023...
Would like to come into this thread to see up to date information and updates...
not random BS about Magic Johnson in 1983 or Eddie Jones in 1995
Posted on 8/8/22 at 2:28 pm to longhorn22
quote:You think a season long thread on any topic is going to stay 100% on topic?
Nah,
2018-2019 has nothing to do with 2022-2023...
Would like to come into this thread to see up to date information and updates...
not random BS about Magic Johnson in 1983 or Eddie Jones in 1995
You're just finding reasons to bitch for the exact reasons TigerATL stated, you're sensitive to people talking down on the Lakers.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 2:29 pm to TigerinATL
quote:This may be the biggest outburst we've ever seen from TigerinATL!
OR you could go find a Lakers board to not have your Lakers fandom offended on. You want to be a Pels fan then be a Pels fan and stop telling us how to talk about your precious Lakers. WTF is wrong with you that you think a Pels board should be sensitive to you being a Lakers fan.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 3:53 pm to GOP_Tiger
Not trolling, simply put context/fact to the post someone made.
Then said, lets get back on track so we can utilize this thread for what it is.
Not that hard to understand...
Then said, lets get back on track so we can utilize this thread for what it is.
Not that hard to understand...
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