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re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:59 pm to LosLobos111
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:59 pm to LosLobos111
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Are there any PGs that could fit into the TPE?
The guy that would be ideal is Markelle Fultz, if you wanted to take a flyer on someone. I'm sure Orlando wouldn't mind moving him with the play of Cole Anthony this year, and they have Suggs. Fultz isn't the shooter we need, but he's definitely gotten better as a player and was trending upwards before his knee injury. He actually should be getting ready to start playing again soon.
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
Not the worst idea
Edit: nvm
Edit: nvm
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
I thought a lot about Fultz this season. He slated to return anytime now. I don't think Orlando would let him go for cheap. And if he's going to cost a pretty penny to pry him away, his ACL injury makes his hard to invest in him without seeing how he plays post injury.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I would think 2 2nds and NAW for Powell would work just fine.
They aren't going to just dump him for nothing
I don’t necessarily disagree, I’m only speaking from the Pelicans standpoint. I mean he just signed that contract and I don’t think anyone lauded it as an underpay. I don’t think he’s really shown anything this year that would say that he’s going to outplay this contract either. Theoretically any team could have offered more and didn’t, so why would a team be willing to give up an asset to get him now?
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There's nothing bad about his contract, and he's a wing with good defense in the prime of his career averaging 18ppg on 40.5% from 3 the last 3 years.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Powell is a bad player by any means, but I do disagree a little. He’s an undersized wing that works hard on defense, but I wouldn’t categorize him as good defender. I just don’t know where a Pels team with Norm Powell as an important piece is going? That’s why I’d consider as a dump, but would turn down any offer that included actual assets
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:24 pm to Baron
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I just don’t know where a Pels team with Norm Powell as an important piece is going? That’s why I’d consider as a dump, but would turn down any offer that included actual assets
I really think the best path forward as a franchise is like the Bucks….
We have to hope that Zion’s gravity, shooting, and facilitating skills continue to improve while staying healthy. As much as I’d like to add a lead guard to this team, we aren’t going to get one. It would cost too much to trade for one, and none are signing here in FA.
That would mean adding high energy players that can rebound, defend, and shoot around him. We have some of that in Hart and Ingram at the moment….and you could argue that Val is a better option than Lopez and younger.
Powell and Hart could be essential pieces moving forward, and it looks like Herb will continue to improve. If NAW isn’t going to be a piece that sticks either we can dump him. I’d like to keep Hayes if we can, because his potential paired with Zion is intriguing.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:25 pm to Baron
Well, no. He signed a five year deal because the Blazers were the only one that could offer him that. No team could do that, and only teams with salary cap could even make an offer.
And he’s scoring over 20 points per 36, 40% from three and 45% from the field on a salary of only $15 million this season. He is outplaying it right now clearly. His fit with us is certainly questionable however. But he’s a very good player no matter how you slice it.
And he’s scoring over 20 points per 36, 40% from three and 45% from the field on a salary of only $15 million this season. He is outplaying it right now clearly. His fit with us is certainly questionable however. But he’s a very good player no matter how you slice it.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:That deal would be OK. Would have to add Sato to make salary work or a combo of Temple/filler. Depends on whether the Blazers would like NAW or prefer to get off of all of Powell's contract by using our TPE.
I would think 2 2nds and NAW for Powell would work just fine.
They aren't going to just dump him for nothing. There's nothing bad about his contract, and he's a wing with good defense in the prime of his career averaging 18ppg on 40.5% from 3 the last 3 years. They aren't going to just dump him.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:42 pm to NOSHAU
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That deal would be OK. Would have to add Sato to make salary work or a combo of Temple/filler. Depends on whether the Blazers would like NAW or prefer to get off of all of Powell's contract by using our TPE.
I think they are going to try and get out of the Tax while not having CJ and Dame for the foreseeable future. So they might go for the exemption.
If that’s all it takes, then I would make that move and look to see if we can move Sato and a pick for another ball handler like Marcus Smart or Delon Wright. But only if they aren’t expiring. Cap space does nothing for us next year…I’d rather be barely under the tax with contracts that can be used for a bigger trade if someone like Fox or SGA comes available with the rest of our future picks.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:46 pm to Baron
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He’s an undersized wing that works hard on defense
again, he's not undersized. he has a 6'11" wingspan and is 215lbs. He's nearly the same size as Reddish despite being 5" shorter. Reddish has a standing reach that's 3" taller, despite being 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan, and Powell weighs slightly more.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:46 pm to Soggymoss
Liked P.J. Washington for the Pels in the 2019 draft if he'd made it to 17. Always thought he'd be a good back up for Zion and could play some small ball center as well. He's be a quality addition on court, but does he have some kind of off court baggage?
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:52 pm to TechTiger
Hopefully one lesson the front office learned last off season was that--Zion or no Zion--attracting free agents is going to be tough unless we start winning and pushing into the playoffs. Don't sell yourself on your own blue sky...
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:04 pm to New City Champ
Oh well! We basically have our own Cam Reddish in Trey Murphy III. Also, we have Herb who’s basically the big forward that can fit next to Ingram and Zion anyways.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:24 pm to Mad Scientist26
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 26m
ESPN Sources: Portland’s interim GM Joe Cronin is making his first significant addition to the Blazers’ front office, hiring Cleveland’s Andrae Patterson as assistant GM. Patterson has been the Cavs’ Senior Director of Basketball Ops and also spent 4 years in Utah's front office.
An Interim GM hiring an Assistant GM, seems like he's in line to be the permanent GM. I was thinking McCollum might be off the table until the next GM takes over, but if he's hiring an Assistant GM he can probably trade CJ.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
The last two years he’s played more SF than ever and has been asked to guard bigger players and tougher assignments. His wingspan hasn’t translated as well in defending bigger players as it has smaller players, and he’s struggled.
Again, I don’t think Powell is a bad player at all, I just am pushing back a little on the idea that’s he’s a good wing defender. I still think he can defend his natural position (2s) and be part of a top half defense with the right other players. I do fear that his play on that end of the floor will decline quicker than most think during the life of the contract.
Another question we should be asking is do we trust Powell to play the 1? Because if Zion still can’t play the 5 when he comes back, PG is the spot that is most up for grabs in your finishing five. If you assume Jonas is the five, we have Ingram, Zion, Herb, Hart, Powell, and Graham for the other 4 spots. I know Zion will have a lot of playmaking duties, but we still need another facilitator and ball handler on the floor.
Again, I don’t think Powell is a bad player at all, I just am pushing back a little on the idea that’s he’s a good wing defender. I still think he can defend his natural position (2s) and be part of a top half defense with the right other players. I do fear that his play on that end of the floor will decline quicker than most think during the life of the contract.
Another question we should be asking is do we trust Powell to play the 1? Because if Zion still can’t play the 5 when he comes back, PG is the spot that is most up for grabs in your finishing five. If you assume Jonas is the five, we have Ingram, Zion, Herb, Hart, Powell, and Graham for the other 4 spots. I know Zion will have a lot of playmaking duties, but we still need another facilitator and ball handler on the floor.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:50 pm to Baron
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Another question we should be asking is do we trust Powell to play the 1? Because if Zion still can’t play the 5 when he comes back, PG is the spot that is most up for grabs in your finishing five.
I'm not interested in adding anyone that doesn't fit with Zion back. I think Herb and BI can cover a lot of the backup 4 minutes. So what are we trying to do?
Get a Starting PG and push Graham to the bench
Upgrade NAW
Upgrade Hayes/Willy
Honestly a starting caliber PG is really the only hole I'd push hard to fill.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:00 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm not interested in adding anyone that doesn't fit with Zion back. I think Herb and BI can cover a lot of the backup 4 minutes. So what are we trying to do?
Get a Starting PG and push Graham to the bench
Upgrade NAW
Upgrade Hayes/Willy
Honestly a starting caliber PG is really the only hole I'd push hard to fill.
These are my thoughts as well. Which is why I’ll listen if Powell only costs us the TPE as it might be worth it as an asset play, but I’m not giving any real value. Unless we truly feel like he can be a lead ball handler (which he never has), then we are committing a lot of future money to “Upgrade NAW.”
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:14 pm to TechTiger
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I like Graham, but he can also be someone that can be unloaded after a while as well. I’d much prefer to keep Hart and Powell than Graham.
If you can find a way to bring Powell in without giving too much, then you should include Graham, young players, and future picks for someone like Fox or Simmons that could be on the move if you can make it happen.
Graham has been, by far, our worst regular starter (since we benched Nickeil). He's an undersized defender who doesn't like contact, so we get killed by talented opposing guards. His DRTG is tied with Sato's and Kira's as the worst on the team, and his DBPM is bad enough so that only NAW, Kira, and Trey have been worse this season. On offense, he's shooting 37.2% from the field and 35.5% from 3.
In short, I don't see any way that Graham will be our starting PG next season -- he's just not good enough, and Zion's return won't make him a better defender. So, we can keep him as a backup, but he'll turn 27 next month and isn't going to get any better, and we have Kira and Jose to develop at that position.
So, I think that there's a good chance that he's traded before the deadline. We could use an upgrade at his position.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:15 pm to GOP_Tiger
Graham always felt like a spark plug off the bench guard to me. No way he’s a playoff caliber starting PG
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
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In short, I don't see any way that Graham will be our starting PG next season
aren't you glad we gave up a 1st, almost, to sign him?
He'd be a better player if he came off the bench and played with Zion and was able to get better looks. I think the plan was always for him to be a spark bench player and we were still looking for our future PG, at least i hope so.
He's shooting 42% on catch and shoot 3's this year, which is where he's been the last 3 years. HIs problem is he's 26% on pull ups. Maybe if he had someone else creating more for him and our offense, maybe some guy that's supposed to be a top 10 player in the league, we'd see better efficiency from Devonte.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:26 pm to Baron
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Upgrade Hayes
How dare you. As Hayes #1 fan, I have to push for us to keep him. I cant fall off the "give him minutes and he will get batter" train I've been riding for 3 years. Its finally starting to prove true
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 3:48 pm
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