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re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal

Posted on 1/14/22 at 11:08 am to
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10054 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 11:08 am to
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The one who let Ryno, Kaman, and Gordon expire



He said trash for trash swaps. Not our cornerstone players.

Boy those were the days.


Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/14/22 at 11:12 am to
Why would the team want a trash for trash type of trade? It's pointless. If you can use his salary to upgrade the roster, then great. If not, I don't see a point in making a trade to bring in more trash with the possibility of it be players who are on multi year deals.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 11:12 am
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10054 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 11:13 am to
You never heard the saying "one man's trash is another man's treasure, son"?
Posted by saintslsupels
Member since Jul 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 11:16 am to
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You never heard the saying "one man's trash is another man's treasure, son"?

This is the Pels motto until the trade deadline. Garrett Temple and Gary Clark are examples.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17659 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 11:58 am to
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“De’Aaron Fox’s name is circulating throughout the league as a big-time player who can potentially be moved by the Feb. 10 NBA trade deadline.”

- @ChrisBHaynes

(Via LINK LINK
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10054 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:07 pm to
I know he’s been brought up before but how does he fit in with the type of PG we’re looking for?


Haven’t really seen him play. His 3pt% doesn’t look great.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17659 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:13 pm to
I think he would fit in great. He can run an offense in the halfcourt and he's elite in P&R.

Finding a trade that gives the value tthough, is a different story, I've been playing with the trade machine to find something.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30355 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:16 pm to
Fox has a weird trend.
looking at catch and shoot 3's only.
2022 34%
2021 39%
2020 33%
2019 40%

I guess he'll be good again next year from 3.
His pull up 3 game is pretty bad. You'd think maybe playing with Zion and BI that he could be more of a catch and shoot 3 point shooter. He's been taking about twice as many pull up 3's as opposed to catch and shoot 3's in his career. He needs to flip that.
If he could be a near 40% catch and shoot 3 point shooter, limit his pull up 3's, and continue to get to the basket like he has his whole career, he could definitely be the PG we need from an offensive standpoint.

If we ran an offense that was more suitable to him being a driver/facilitator with the ball in his hands, and then off the ball a catch and shoot or pump fake drive to the goal player, then he would do great here.
Posted by hkc
Member since Oct 2021
94 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:30 pm to
Omg I forgot about Craig Brackens. Jeez dark times indeed.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19542 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:34 pm to
Dell plucked solid rotational players for guys that should have been in the G-League.

Dell was the equivalent of a poker player making it a third of the way through the tournament by folding most hands and only playing a low pair.

Griff is the equivalent of a poker player that was handed a million dollars to play in a tournament, is dealt a royal flush, and folds it to go play baccarat
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:41 pm to
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Griff is the equivalent of a poker player that was handed a million dollars to play in a tournament, is dealt a royal flush, and folds it to go play baccarat


Sadly this is true. Just add he was handed a a straight hand on his first deal and decided to fold it on the hopes he could get two straight flushes on the next hand and ended up losing both.

All Griff literally would have to do to have the best young core in the league is…nothing.

Take BPA in the draft and resign the players that others forced on him: Garland, Lonzo, BI, Zion, Hart, and whoever you use assets and Wood to upgrade center with, and this team would be arguably the best under 25 team in the league by a country mile
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17659 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:45 pm to
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According to @massey_evan, the Raptors and Pacers have discussed a Myles Turner / OG Anunoby trade LINK
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130314 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:56 pm to
I want OG :(
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Yes, same guy. Demps was great at winning the trash for trash swaps.

Julian Wright for Belinelli
Darius Songaila and Craig Brackens for Jason Smith and Willie Green
Qpon for Greivis Vasquez
Russ Smith and Austin Rivers for Qpon 2.0

Pretty sure he had a few others but those are the first ones that come to mind.


Yeah, Demps was oddly effective at finding moderatly productive bench player. He just royally fricked up every major signing and trade he was involved in. In the end, those are the ones that really matter.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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18452 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 12:59 pm to
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Fox has a weird trend.
looking at catch and shoot 3's only.
2022 34%
2021 39%
2020 33%
2019 40%

I guess he'll be good again next year from 3.
His pull up 3 game is pretty bad. You'd think maybe playing with Zion and BI that he could be more of a catch and shoot 3 point shooter. He's been taking about twice as many pull up 3's as opposed to catch and shoot 3's in his career. He needs to flip that.
If he could be a near 40% catch and shoot 3 point shooter, limit his pull up 3's, and continue to get to the basket like he has his whole career, he could definitely be the PG we need from an offensive standpoint.

If we ran an offense that was more suitable to him being a driver/facilitator with the ball in his hands, and then off the ball a catch and shoot or pump fake drive to the goal player, then he would do great here.


You have to think Vinson could work with him to get back into form. That said, pull up 3s are generally not a good shot for any player not named Steph Curry
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13308 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:08 pm to
I think with Fox, the concern isn't his 3 point shot or even his offense. It comes down to whether they can get him to consistently play hard on defense and be fine with a lesser role on a team where Zion and Ingram is the 1st and 2nd option.

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13756 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

Fox has a weird trend.
looking at catch and shoot 3's only.
2022 34%
2021 39%
2020 33%
2019 40%

I guess he'll be good again next year from 3.
His pull up 3 game is pretty bad. You'd think maybe playing with Zion and BI that he could be more of a catch and shoot 3 point shooter. He's been taking about twice as many pull up 3's as opposed to catch and shoot 3's in his career. He needs to flip that.
If he could be a near 40% catch and shoot 3 point shooter, limit his pull up 3's, and continue to get to the basket like he has his whole career, he could definitely be the PG we need from an offensive standpoint.

If we ran an offense that was more suitable to him being a driver/facilitator with the ball in his hands, and then off the ball a catch and shoot or pump fake drive to the goal player, then he would do great here.

Makes sense though as he is a lead PG who has the ball in his hands alot.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13756 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:13 pm to
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I know he’s been brought up before but how does he fit in with the type of PG we’re looking for?


Haven’t really seen him play. His 3pt% doesn’t look great.


Not sure how he fits. It would be great to have a true lead PG. However, he is not a great shooter, but is a 3-level threat at times. He is not a great FT shooter either. His contract is burdensome. He is owed $135 million over the next 4 years. We would be committing to him as one of our big 3 building blocks. Can Zion, BI and Fox be the big 3 we need to get to where we hope to get?
Posted by 5iveEuax4eaux
Member since Jan 2020
696 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:30 pm to
His up and down years seem to correlate to the years Marvin Bagley didn't play much. Makes sense his % would be lower without the best post scorer on the team drawing defenders to the paint. Bagley has only played 24 games this year and is only getting up 7 shots a game. We have Jonas and Zion presumably returns eventually.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17659 posts
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:38 pm to
Think I have the trade everyone would like, and every team involved should be happy with.

Portland: Kira Lewis, 2025 top 10 protected 1st from Milwaukee

Orlando: Marvin Bagley

Pels: De'Aron Fox, Norman Powell, Chimezie Metu

Kings: Tomas Satoransky (buyout), Mo Bamba, Jaxson Hayes, NAW, 2024 Pels 1st, 2024 Milwaukee 1st, 2025 Pels 1st, 2027 Milwaukee 1st (top 4 protection on all picks)

That team would get expensive once Zion is due for his payday, but we should be able to manage it.

Thoughts? To much to give up, or not enough given up?

The Mo Bamba trade is based on Orlando reportedly shopping him because they don't want to pay him.

This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 1:40 pm
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