re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal

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The wise organizational move would be to take this to the offseason.

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100% agree but I think Griffin is going to make a move while he still can.

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Jake Madison's show today is: "Why CJ McCollum is a Move That the Pelicans Need to Make."

Jake said that he thought the price would be: Hart + one of Jaxson/NAW + two 1sts (he didn't elaborate on possible protections). He's for such a deal (obviously, salary filler like Sato has to be included as well).

Obviously, we are expecting Zion to return to play fairly soon. The momentum on the McCollum story doesn't happen without that expectation.

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Way too much for CJ. Pass.

Year 2 is non-guaranteed, essentially meaning the Pelicans can opt out of that deal.

Year 3 is a player option.

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The other thing to remember here is NOLA is not a FA destination.

Assuming we would have access to players in the offseason is not ideal. So whenever we have a chance to claim a top 50 player, we probably should entertain this all the way up until it's not possible anymore (either by deadline or cost too high).

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Do you consider CJ a top 50 player?

If we are blowing assets, it needs to be for someone in their mid 20s. CJ will be pulling a Jrue in about a year or two.

I think he will be top 75 for the length of his contract.

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Jake said that he thought the price would be: Hart + one of Jaxson/NAW + two 1sts (he didn't elaborate on possible protections).

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I'll add that we would obviously have to add Sato to this deal to make it work financially. If you trade Hart/Hayes, you still need to send out $8.5M to make it work.
Hart/Sato/Jaxson leaves Portland $500k under the tax, which may or may not be that accurate b/c they may have bonuses that aren't being taking into consideration, so i would imagine they would want to send Sato somewhere else in this deal, if it's Jaxson and not NAW, which i would assume they would want Jax, not NAW.
Sending NAW instead of Jax would give the Blazers a $2.5M cushion under the tax. They are $3M over it right now, so i'm sure their goal in any trade is to be under the tax.


I don't know what the Blazers goals are in this trade. I can't see why they would want to start stacking picks right now. If they are doing that, then they might as well send Lillard packing too.
I would think they don't want our two firsts, they want us to go get a good player to send to them with Hart/Jax.
Maybe something like this.

Portland gets Hart/Jax/Turner/Mil 24 1st

Pels get McCollum/Holiday

Pacers get NAW/Sato/Nurkic, Pels 24 1st, Pels 2nd


I think that's the kind of deal Portland is looking for when sending out McCollum, something that keeps them as good or better than they are now.


and while i'm not thrilled about McCollum's age, i think for the price of Hart/Jax/NAW/2 late 1sts, it's a good deal to make b/c he will help win more games than all of those assets combined over the next 2 years, and he gives that veteran scoring presence that BI/Zion need as that other option. And it also lets us keep Herb starting, and then you have Graham providing the scoring off the bench.

I also think maybe the age aspect of McCollum isn't as important b/c of the game he plays. He's never been one to provide scoring b/c of his athleticism. He's a smart player, and a great shooter, and as long as he can remain a great shooter, then he'll stay in the league. He's never been a guy that makes his points getting to the rim and getting fouled. He averages under 3 FTA for his career. His FTA have been going down, and his 3PA going up the last few years, and he's shooting 40%+ from 3 the last 2 years, and 37% on pull up 3's the last 2 years.
He's an elite catch and shoot 3 point shooter, and i doubt that will change anytime soon, and that is exactly what BI and Zion need.

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I think he still is...how much longer is the question I have.

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Same.

Also have to consider he has two more years left on his contract. Meaning, you're getting 2 seasons max, out of him. Because lets be real, he aint re signing here. He's gonna be turning 33 and ready to pull the "I want to play for a contender," thing. Also, would we even want to sign 33 year old CJ to an extension, is a question.

So, what are we willing to give up for 2 seasons of Mccollum?

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"I want to play for a contender,"

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If we aren't "contending" in two seasons, with healthy zion and even better BI.. then I don't know.

By contending I mean WCF. Maybe Finals.

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I think he will be top 75 for the length of his contract.

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IDK, undersized one-way guards have a very sketchy shelf life.

Curry and CP3 are kind of outliers.

I'm mostly worried that in a season or two from now CJ might be missing 15-20 games annually(basically this season and last become the new norm) and instead of a 22-5-4 on 40% from three we start seeing McCollum turn into a 17-4-3 guy on 36% shooting, on less volume because his athleticism is ticking down and cant get open as easily, making 33 mil.