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re: 2021 NBA Trade thread BREAKING: Bagley to Pistons in 4 team deal
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:45 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 1/14/22 at 1:45 pm to Soggymoss
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Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:03 pm to Soggymoss
Not really willing at this point to give up the assets it would require to acquire either, unless they just want a straight dump, which I doubt.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:10 pm to Soggymoss
I don’t know why the Kings would take on Jaxson and Mo Bamba when both will need new contracts soon, and after they just resigned Holmes.
Also, that is a lot of assets(protected assets, but still probably giving up those picks)for Fox, and I’m not too crazy about the amount of salary coming back with Powell as well. We would be in a hard spot in determining what to do with Hart next year.
Ideally, if those were the players coming back I would prefer to sub Hayes for Murphy and find a way to move Graham or include in the trade for less assets somehow. Powell might not be a primary ball handler, but I think he does a lot of the same things Graham does and does them better.
Also, that is a lot of assets(protected assets, but still probably giving up those picks)for Fox, and I’m not too crazy about the amount of salary coming back with Powell as well. We would be in a hard spot in determining what to do with Hart next year.
Ideally, if those were the players coming back I would prefer to sub Hayes for Murphy and find a way to move Graham or include in the trade for less assets somehow. Powell might not be a primary ball handler, but I think he does a lot of the same things Graham does and does them better.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:25 pm to Soggymoss
So we're giving up 5 1st rounders, Hayes and NAW for Fox and Powell? Too much IMO. Not to mention, the salaries would be overly difficult to digest in a few years.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:26 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Would like to get Hield but suspect a team that is competing for playoffs would give up assets for what he brings.
Not really willing at this point to give up the assets it would require to acquire either, unless they just want a straight dump, which I doubt.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:29 pm to NOSHAU
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So we're giving up 5 1st rounders, Hayes and NAW for Fox and Powell? Too much IMO.
Your opinion, but how about Griff's? Remember the rumors from a few weeks ago where other teams wanting Hart seemed to be a sticking point in multiple potential deals? I don't think he's as attached to picks someone else might get to make.
Griff was irresponsible with draft compensation to get what he wanted this summer, I can see where he would be very interested in a deal that netted him what he felt was his 3rd star and missing piece as well as another starting caliber player in Powell if all it cost was picks and bench players.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:37 pm to NOSHAU
I went back and forth on whether it would take 3 or 4 1sts to get Fox. Ultimately I believe since we don't have one to offer this offseason, it would take an additional one to sway Sacramento into pulling the trigger on the deal, and frankly giving up an additional 1st for what should be our 3rd star is not that big of a deal.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:43 pm to TigerinATL
Im with you ATL, I dont think thats a lot considering our picks wont be worth as much as we think.
We get a bonafide guard and at worse a rotational player.
Fox
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Hart
Graham
Powell
Willy Goat
Thats about as solid a 9man rotation we can get. Not to mention we still have TM3 to develop.
We get a bonafide guard and at worse a rotational player.
Fox
Herb
BI
Zion
JV
Hart
Graham
Powell
Willy Goat
Thats about as solid a 9man rotation we can get. Not to mention we still have TM3 to develop.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:43 pm to TechTiger
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don’t know why the Kings would take on Jaxson and Mo Bamba when both will need new contracts soon
They're 2 big men with potentially elite skill sets that are under contract for cheap next season that allows them time to evaluate and decide whether to keep them or trade them. The Bamba trade is them just swapping Bagley who they don't want for someone else to evaluate for a year.
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We would be in a hard spot in determining what to do with Hart next year.
It wouldn't put us in a bad spot until 2 years from now when Zion's contract hits, but that also coincides with what many expect to be a huge jump in the salary cap, plus we would still have bigger salaries to move to help get some relief (like Graham). Worst case I think we may have a small tax bill for a year, but it should be manageable.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 2:56 pm to TigerinATL
quote:That may be the issue. Is Fox really a 3rd start level player? In 2 season, we would have $115 million tied up in Zion, BI, Fox and Powell when the cap is estimated to be about $119 million. In 24-25, it would be at least $122 million tied up in those 4 ($104 million in the top 3) when the cap is currently estimated (guess-timated) to be $123 million. He would have to be certain that Zion, BI and Fox are a top 3 that would get us to the promised land as he would have used all of his draft capital and any cap flexibility.
Griff was irresponsible with draft compensation to get what he wanted this summer, I can see where he would be very interested in a deal that netted him what he felt was his 3rd star and missing piece as well as another starting caliber player in Powell if all it cost was picks and bench players.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:11 pm to NOSHAU
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we would have $115 million tied up in Zion, BI, Fox and Powell when the cap is estimated to be about $119 million.
The cap doesn't matter at that point. it's the tax line that matters.
And the tax would be at $145M.
quote:
But if the NBA can triple that income with the next broadcast deal in 2024 — as it thinks is possible — the salary cap could jump to $175 million in just a few years.
The league is looking for a broadcast rights package worth more than $70 billion over nine years, and maybe as high as $75 billion, CNBC’s Jabari Young reported previously (for comparison, the NFL just signed a $113 billion, 11-year broadcast rights deal). While it may seem counterintuitive that broadcast fee rights would spike as traditional NBA viewership numbers are declining, it speaks to the draw of major live sports and, more importantly, how streaming services want that draw to lure in fans. Increased legalized gambling plays into those numbers, as does the fact the NBA is much better at reaching Gen Z and younger fans than other major sports.
If the league gets a deal in that $75 billion range, the salary cap could spike to surprisingly high numbers, reports Morten Jensen at Forbes.
Needless to say, jumping $5.7 billion in TV-income annually will have a severe impact of the NBA’s salary cap, which is calculated off the league’s Basketball-Related Income (BRI).
According to a league source, projections indicate that a $171 million salary cap is possible, assuming no cap smoothing, by 2025. Should the NBPA instead agree to cap smoothing, it’s likely the league will still see annual increases to the extent of $15 million, according to source…
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:14 pm to NOSHAU
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That may be the issue. Is Fox really a 3rd start level player?
Would I rather SGA over Fox? Yes. Is SGA available? Probably not for the assets the Pels have.
Fox might be the best the Pels can get with Hayes/NAW/Kira all fizzling as trade assets. So does he fit?
He's not a great 3 point shooter but the primary stat I've been looking at to find guards that fit are the NBA Tracking Drive Stats LINK
Fox is 9th in Drives Per Game and 3rd in Points off of drives. That basically means he can bend and break a defense on his own.
Is Fox the guy to take/create the shot in crunch time? I don't know, but between him, Zion/BI/JV you have 4 players than can beat single coverage and create chaos. Even if Fox can't create something out of nothing on his own at a high level, I think he can create enough chaos combined with the core to make a play happen, which is what we've been doing to win games since Ingram started trusting his teammates.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:22 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Is Fox really a 3rd start level player? I
Yes
He's also a lead guard and we need that.
Powell would be icing on the cake
Fox
Powell
Ingram
Zion
Val
Is an elite starting 5, offensively at least.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:23 pm to TigerinATL
quote:But the question is not, who is the best we can get right now. It was, is he a Big 3 star level player that we want to commit our future to now given his contract?
Would I rather SGA over Fox? Yes. Is SGA available? Probably not for the assets the Pels have.
Fox might be the best the Pels can get with Hayes/NAW/Kira all fizzling as trade assets. So does he fit?
He's not a great 3 point shooter but the primary stat I've been looking at to find guards that fit are the NBA Tracking Drive Stats LINK
Fox is 9th in Drives Per Game and 3rd in Points off of drives. That basically means he can bend and break a defense on his own.
Is Fox the guy to take/create the shot in crunch time? I don't know, but between him, Zion/BI/JV you have 4 players than can beat single coverage and create chaos. Even if Fox can't create something out of nothing on his own at a high level, I think he can create enough chaos combined with the core to make a play happen, which is what we've been doing to win games since Ingram started trusting his teammates.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:24 pm to NOSHAU
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But the question is not, who is the best we can get right now. It was, is he a Big 3 star level player that we want to commit our future to now given his contract?
I said yesterday I wasn't sure if people could come up with a better option than Powell. Fox < Powell.
What kind of guy can we get who is better than Fox? Especially at lead guard?
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:OK, so that would give about 30 million to fill 11 roster spots. JV makes $15 million that year. So, if we kept him, it would mean we have $15 million to fill 10 spots. Very difficult to maintain any king of depth if we do not have veteran players signing for the minimum to play with BI, Zion and Fox.
The cap doesn't matter at that point. it's the tax line that matters.
And the tax would be at $145M.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’ll say to I think Fox isn’t giving it his all for the Kings team. He’s mailed it in and ready to move on.
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Don't know if one is available currently. However, if we are going to commit to BI and Zion, that player needs to be someone that we think is a Big 3 star that can get us to where we want to get. If we think Fox is that player, great. If not, we should not commit the assets and salary to him.
I said yesterday I wasn't sure if people could come up with a better option than Powell. Fox < Powell.
What kind of guy can we get who is better than Fox? Especially at lead guard?
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:27 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Would I rather SGA over Fox?
I really don’t think either are getting dealt this trade deadline. Kings won’t make that deal before moving Bags, Hield, and Barnes unless they are getting a committed Ben Simmons or similar caliber player in return.
Also, Thunder have no incentive to move SGA unless he throws a fit and requests out and they get another all star caliber player in return. They likely don’t want to add more terrible picks to what they have already. In that case you could maybe look at Boston with Jalen Brown or Simmons again.
This post was edited on 1/14/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/14/22 at 3:28 pm to Macintosh
quote:Personally, I think they are floating Fox as a potential trade piece out there in an effort to lure Simmons from the 76ers. They want Simmons and Fox is the biggest asset they have to try and get him.
I’ll say to I think Fox isn’t giving it his all for the Kings team. He’s mailed it in and ready to move on.
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