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re: 2021 Lakers Thread
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:03 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:03 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm concerned that Westbrook plus the Lakers 27/29 1sts and a 28 swap might be enough to get Lillard.
If you get those 3 unprotected, that's probably a higher probability of paying out big than our Bucks picks.
Only if Lillard asks out might that be plausible
I don't think Portland would run with a Simons and no other future guard partner though
Unless they see Hart as good enough
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 1:06 pm
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Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:06 pm to cgrand
I’m hoping that Russ is going to get stretched, leaving the Lakers paying $15m in dead money for three years. This is the last year paying Luol Deng. The pure poetry of it can’t be ignored.
In all seriousness, they have 4 paths out of Westbrook:
1.) Attach picks and trade dump him
2.) Pay him $35+ Million and buy him out
3.) Stretch him and pay $15m in dead money for 3 years
4.) Slip him strong mind-altering substances and convince him to opt-out
There is actually a universe where they stretch him. This would give them access to their full MLE and BAE, so they would have 11ish million and 4ish million to add to the team. Would it be so crazy to think LeBron could pressure them into doing that?
Forgot another option: They could could combine options 2 and 3 by buying out Westbrook and then stretch that buyout.
In all seriousness, they have 4 paths out of Westbrook:
1.) Attach picks and trade dump him
2.) Pay him $35+ Million and buy him out
3.) Stretch him and pay $15m in dead money for 3 years
4.) Slip him strong mind-altering substances and convince him to opt-out
There is actually a universe where they stretch him. This would give them access to their full MLE and BAE, so they would have 11ish million and 4ish million to add to the team. Would it be so crazy to think LeBron could pressure them into doing that?
Forgot another option: They could could combine options 2 and 3 by buying out Westbrook and then stretch that buyout.
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:08 pm to Baron
LeBron May just pay the 35mil out of his own pocket
I thinks he’s richer than the Buss’s
I thinks he’s richer than the Buss’s
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:08 pm to Pelefraan 1
Lillard isn't going to that dumpster fire.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:08 pm to Baron
It's hard to reconcile the stretch option, but it is an option
And they have a stretching history
And they have a stretching history
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:09 pm to TigerinATL
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If you get those 3 unprotected, that's probably a higher probability of paying out big than our Bucks picks.
worst case scenario IMO
lakers would then have davis for 2023, 2024 & 2025 (assuming he picks up his option). same as lillard (23, 24, 25)
that would (you would think) bust our 2024/25 lakers swap option. after 2025 lillard would be 35 years old and unfathomably rich. davis would likely head elsewhere
lets forget we even discussed this
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:09 pm to The_Duke
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LeBron May just pay the 35mil out of his own pocket
And Rusty donates it all to charity!
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:12 pm to Baron
I assume Russ would need to agree to be stretched. How would that benefit him?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:27 pm to ghost2most
quote:While true, I'd be ecstatic if Zion played for the Pels for over a decade at a high level then we had to deal with his declining athleticism and being over paid for a couple of years when he's 32 or so.
Westbrick is a cautionary tale of paying anyone who relies on extreme athleticism once they hit 30.
Iverson is another guy who declined rapidly as he aged.
Looking at their raw numbers doesn't tell the story.
Honestly, this is one of my concerns about Zion as well.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:32 pm to Gabe Rippen
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I assume Russ would need to agree to be stretched.
Not unless I missed some new amendment to the CBA
quote:
How would that benefit him?
He’d get to go to a new team, but still get paid the $47 million he’s owed. He could get out of the toxic-fit in LA and sign for the minimum with a contender or a team with more minutes and a better role next year. Theoretically, he could rehab his own value with a better situation so that he might get a better contract when he’s a FA in 23-24
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:37 pm to Gabe Rippen
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I assume Russ would need to agree to be stretched.
Not at all
Posted on 3/2/22 at 1:55 pm to Baron
Russ loves being in LA. He says constantly how much he loves being near his family and dropping his kids off at school. When you’re making close to 50 mil a year, you might not care about winning as much.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 2:40 pm to David, Larry David
Sure I agree he likes being in the city. I’m going off the report from yesterday that both Russ and the LAL were looking to move on next year. So with that in mind, unless he’s playing for the Clippers, I’m not sure his love for the city is as relevant.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 2:59 pm to Baron
I still believe they trade him over the summer and the market will be bigger than people believe. It's an almost 50M expiring. Any team wanting to make a huge splash in summer 2023 will want his deal.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:19 pm to brmark70816
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I still believe they trade him over the summer and the market will be bigger than people believe
Maybe, ever since they inexplicably got AD to just waive his trade bonus, I’m not going to underestimate the Lakers ability to wiggle their way out of a cap situation.
quote:
It's an almost 50M expiring. Any team wanting to make a huge splash in summer 2023 will want his deal.
I agree with your reasoning on paper, but don’t see it as clearly when applied. Who are those teams that:
1) have a lot of long term contracts that they don’t want
2) expect to be players in 2023 FA
The only team that really comes to mind to me is the Knicks, but I don’t really see any others that really fit that criteria
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/2/22 at 3:31 pm to cgrand
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that would (you would think) bust our 2024/25 lakers swap option. after 2025 lillard would be 35 years old and unfathomably rich. davis would likely head elsewhere
What the chances of two guys starting to show their age now and both currently injured, remaining healthy 2-3 years from now….
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:21 pm to Baron
ah i was assuming stretching him would keep him on contract with the Lakers longer (like i believe we did with Asik). in that case the Lakers would stretch and then buy him out i guess?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:24 pm to Gabe Rippen
Stretch means he is cut but they spread the money over multiple years instead of 1.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:49 pm to Gabe Rippen
When you stretch someone’s contract they are waived from the team and you take the remaining guaranteed money on the contract and spread it out by twice the remaining years plus 1. So for example, if a player has 2 years and $20 million left on a contract, you could stretch that contract so you pay $4 million a year for 5 years (2 years x2 + 1) instead of $10 million over 2 years.
Westbrook has 1 year left worth 47 million. If the Lakers stretch him, they would pay $47 million in over 3 years. So for three years he would count as $15.6m each year against the cap in dead money.
Buyout and stretch are two different things, but a team could do both. For example, they could negotiate to buyout Westbrook’s last year for $42 million instead of $47, then use the stretch provision on the $42. In that case, they would pay $14 million a year in dead money instead of $15.6.
Westbrook has 1 year left worth 47 million. If the Lakers stretch him, they would pay $47 million in over 3 years. So for three years he would count as $15.6m each year against the cap in dead money.
quote:
in that case the Lakers would stretch and then buy him out i guess?
Buyout and stretch are two different things, but a team could do both. For example, they could negotiate to buyout Westbrook’s last year for $42 million instead of $47, then use the stretch provision on the $42. In that case, they would pay $14 million a year in dead money instead of $15.6.
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