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re: 19 games in - what does Zion do better/worse than you expected

Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:10 pm to
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:10 pm to
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Less jumper



You thought he had a jumper coming in?

I've been presently surprised to see him not be afraid to take a three. Remember how long it took AD to extend his game away from the basket? And now look at his offensive game.

If we keep Vinson on staff once we part ways with Gentry, there is no doubt in my mind that Zion will develop a respectable shot from 3.
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:10 pm to
Zion needs to get in tip top shape. Big step cuz he’s already unstoppable.

Needs to keep shooting. Zion with a reliable shot would be unreal, and help his career in his mid 30’s if he can stay healthy.

Ball handling - he has a surprisingly good handle. He gets turnovers because he doesnt know when to use it and when not to. So takes an unnecessary dribble, or doesnt see the help D and turns it over.

Love his game. This kid if healthy is next level Bron type athlete. We are lucky to be Pelicans fans.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 9:12 pm
Posted by barbapapa
Member since Mar 2018
3801 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:12 pm to
Defense, Shooting, and overall conditioning need improvement. Scary to think how could he actually be...he's already fricking outstanding
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
79008 posts
Posted on 3/9/20 at 9:14 pm to
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This kid if healthy


This is why he needs to shed some of his baby fat.

Knees can only last so long when a body currently like his jumping the way he does.

I know it gets annoying hearing everyone constantly question his health, but we'd be ignorant to not lend some credence to the possibility.


ETA: downvotes.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
2208 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 7:34 am to
There isn’t a rookie that comes into this league that doesn’t have D issues. It’s the biggest transition for college players. I think he has the tools to be a very good defender in this league. So, I’m not really surprised at all by his defense. The conditioning concerns imo is completely over exaggerated. He was on the shelf for half the season and we still aren’t 20 games in. His conditioning will get better each passing week. He is an scoring at a very high level and i expect that to only improve with a perimeter game. My main two things i want him to work on? Defense and a mid range jumper. He already can’t be stopped from getting to the basket but if he adds a 15 ft jumper that he can hit consistently he would be completely unstoppable.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
40723 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 8:43 am to
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His motor


Excuse me, but this can only be applied to white guys.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29757 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 9:42 am to
The Good

He's not even playing anywhere near his potential and he's almost unstoppable with how limited he is.
His dog mentality. You can tell when he gets pissed, and i love it.

The Bad

his defensive effort looks terrible at times. He's got to get better on that side of the court, and i think he will when he gets fully healthy. He looks slow out there at times. I forgot who it was against, Michigan State or Virginia, when the guard almost broke his ankles and blew by him, but Zion was quick enough to recover and block him with ease. We haven't seen that Zion this year with quick feet.
Free throws at times have been terrible. He's got to get some more arch on them.


quote:

- Ball handling. He needs to be dribbling constantly. Way too many turnovers when he puts it on the floor.


Do you guys remember him from the preseason? The thing i was impressed with the most was his dribbling and how quick he looked.
At no point this season has he looked anywhere near as quick, explosive and comfortable dribbling the ball as he did in the preseason. Preseason Highlights
And that's not to say he hasn't been explosive this year, b/c he's had his moments, but he hasn't looked like he did in the preseason for the most part. League is fricked next year when he comes back fully healthy and in better shape.


quote:

- His rebounding overall is lower than I thought. He's a beast chasing his own shots but on D, he hasn't gotten that many. I think this is primarily because Al has him leaking out constantly.



I think it's the latter. They want him leaking out, and it's working b/c teams are conscience of it now and your seeing them have 4-5 guys running back into the paint after shots. I'd love to see what our opponents offensive rebounds have been and our transition baskets have been over the last 10 or so games.


I think the biggest things he is going to need to improve on, which is hard to do outside of games and real practice, is recognizing double teams and what to do with them. When to attack the rim immediately, where to pass it, when to be patient, and the biggest thing we can do for him in this regards is surround him with shooters, and i'm looking at Favors when i say that.

Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13478 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:23 am to
When he's not dribbling off of his foot, he only has a spin move. He is averaging 23.6 ppg on 58.9% shooting and 64.5% from the line. THE LEAGUE IS frickED when he learns how to play basketball. The only criticism of him is his bad defense. He is seriously a cheat code.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23045 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:37 am to
Let’s be fair, Zion has very good basketball instincts and good basketball IQ IMO. He needs to work on being better protecting the ball and better handling the ball but he isn’t terrible at those things. He needs to improve on the defensive side bc it’s is not good enough to just rely on his elite athleticism anymore.

Imo, He really just wasn’t used to other stud level athletes defending him or him defending them. He will definitely improve with exposure and repetition.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 11:39 am
Posted by ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
2460 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 11:50 am to
Interesting watching his preseason highlights.

He looks lighter and more explosive pre-injury. And you're right, his handle looks tighter.
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
3995 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:04 pm to
Definitely needs to improve his ball handling. I watched almost every game he played at Duke and I don't remember this being a huge issue. I actually thought he handled the ball very well for his size. I'm a little surprised at all the bobbles and fumbles.

With that being said, it's definitely something he can fix.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23045 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:45 pm to
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Definitely needs to improve his ball handling. I watched almost every game he played at Duke and I don't remember this being a huge issue. I actually thought he handled the ball very well for his size. I'm a little surprised at all the bobbles and fumbles.


Y’all don’t think the level of competition has anything to do with this? His handles didn’t get worse. His competition got significantly better.
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
3995 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 12:54 pm to
No doubt the competition is better, but dribbling in the open court has nothing to do with competition.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23045 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 1:27 pm to
The majority of the issues I’ve seen with his ball handling are within the lane.
Posted by Pelicansfan69
Member since Oct 2019
304 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 1:56 pm to
I watched him in college and his game translates almost perfectly except in college he built up more confidence in his ability to dribble penetrate. I think if he gets leaned out a bit with conditioning his shooting, dribbling and yes even his defence will all drastically improve. His defence in college was actually superb he would disrupt passing lanes with tenacity. I know for a fact the coaching staff of the Pelicans told him not to burn himself out and pick his spots where he exerts 100% energy, which is why you see him appear to suck on defence. For me he has one more rung on his “potential” ladder to reach and it will almost all come down to his ability to lean out a bit and get better conditioned.
This post was edited on 3/10/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7682 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 2:53 pm to
Great post and I think agree with all of it.

Regarding turnovers and ball handling, I believe a lot of that can be improved with better recognition of double teams, when to pass to beat the double, and when to pull up for the short J instead of crashing to the goal. He puts himself in difficult situations in the lane fairly often. He has shown a few pull-ups in the half court and he is wide open because of the threat he poses going to the rim, so this is already happening.

One of the things in the OP was the development of counter-moves so that it's not all just the spin. I'm not saying he has to be Kevin McHale in that regard, but I have no idea how anyone will guard him if upfakes and "up and unders" are added to his repertoire.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 4:30 pm to
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better role player


what board do you usually troll?
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33466 posts
Posted on 3/10/20 at 10:31 pm to
I'm surprised at how bad he is on defense, though I think he will get better.


I also thought he would be more of a force on rebounds and I think he would if he weren't so worried about getting out on the break for the lobs, dunks and easy layups
Posted by Marley504
Dallas,TX
Member since Jul 2016
288 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 12:02 am to
I’m surprised that y’all keep forgetting he’s a 19 year old rookie lmao
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
3995 posts
Posted on 3/11/20 at 7:30 am to
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The majority of the issues I’ve seen with his ball handling are within the lane.



Again I don't disagree. I honestly think it's just being a little too impatient in the post that leads to sloppy ball handling. And yes, that has a lot to do with the competition he's going up against. But he also seems very hesitant to put it on the floor in the open court. I don't know if that's a gameplan thing or what, but that was never an issue before the injury.
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