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re: 1.5 years into year 2 and Jax, NAW and Didi are all unplayable
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:32 am to bugafor6
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:32 am to bugafor6
Griffin just does not seem to value drafting long, versatile wings.
Maybe that is changing with his supposed interest in Patrick Williams.
But this team needs to get better at 2-4 depth wise, quite a bit in my opinion.
Maybe that is changing with his supposed interest in Patrick Williams.
But this team needs to get better at 2-4 depth wise, quite a bit in my opinion.
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Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Griffin just does not seem to value drafting long, versatile wings.
Maybe that is changing with his supposed interest in Patrick Williams.
But this team needs to get better at 2-4 depth wise, quite a bit in my opinion.
One of my biggest concerns with Griff is how he values centers, and this is the wrong way of saying it, but "non-skilled" centers.
We're in the perfect position to add another potential core piece to Zion and Ingram at #4, yet we trade back, then double down on that mistake by drafting Hayes at #8.
We didn't really give up much of anything for him, but he keyed in on Favors and went and got him.
Then Adams, who we gave up a good amount for. I don't want to diminish Adams value because I think he's a really good player, but we gave up a lot for him. Then doubled down on that with the extension. Knowing what we know now, do you think Adams would have gotten $17.5M a year on the open market?
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:04 am to CP3forMVP
quote:Adams is a lot of fun to watch and appears to be a great locker room guy. However, we bailed OKC out on him as many thought they may have to attach a pick to move him given his salary and skillset. Then we extended him. That move proved to me that Griff was not buying into a rebuild. A center like Adams would have been a great piece 5-7 years ago, but not really a prime commodity in today's NBA.
Then Adams, who we gave up a good amount for. I don't want to diminish Adams value because I think he's a really good player, but we gave up a lot for him. Then doubled down on that with the extension. Knowing what we know now, do you think Adams would have gotten $17.5M a year on the open market?
Posted on 2/15/21 at 2:37 pm to NOSHAU
As much as I like Kira Lewis. I wish we had gotten Saddiq Bey. He is player of the week for the east division. Guy killed Boston two days ago. It’s frustrating when you root for your team to draft these guys and they don’t (and they’re getting PAID to scout!)
30 PTS
12 REB
10-12 FG
7-7 3 PT
30 PTS
12 REB
10-12 FG
7-7 3 PT
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:09 pm to duyp
Kira was an exceptional pick and I'm happy we have him, but drafting Kira did not make this draft a win in the big picture either. This draft was widely regarded as lacking top end talent but loaded in quality depth. Instead of grabbing a Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman, Jaden McDaniels, etc., we filled these roster spots with Thornwell and Hernangomez and traded out of our picks. Our franchise should be throwing darts right now not settling for journeymen to fill out the roster.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:13 pm to kadillak
With no summer league, a shortened training camp, and a shorter season, the ability to develop rookies was severely limited this year. That's particularly true for guys outside the top 15 picks or so, because they almost always need more development before they are actually ready to play.
Griffin was correct to trade those picks for picks next year.
Griffin was correct to trade those picks for picks next year.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:30 pm to kadillak
I was hoping we'd use our multiple picks to fill out some roster needs as well. Think we could have easily packaged 24 + 39 and moved to late teens to grab a Bey, Maxie or Achiuwa (any one of whom I'd have been happy with) or stayed at 24 and gotten a Bane + a Quickley or Tillie to help our depth.
Instead we used that draft capital to help swing the Adams trade, which also cost us our ability to sign quality free agents. Love Adams, but that choice is very debatable. So far he hasn't really altered our basic defensive outlook or, along with Bledsoe, injected much "grit" or competitiveness into our roster as a whole.
The recent discussion between Redick and Adams on Redick's podcast caught my attention. They talked about how inherently competitive Adams' old Thunder team was and how you can't "inorganically" engineer that into a team. Redick said he too "had been" on teams like that and really missed that atmosphere. Adams said yeah bro, it's really all about the players you bring together.
Didn't take much of a leap to see that neither of them thought the Pels group was very intense or competitive nor did they think the management or coaching staff could put that kind of spirit into the team without changing the group.
Hard to argue that point right now.
Instead we used that draft capital to help swing the Adams trade, which also cost us our ability to sign quality free agents. Love Adams, but that choice is very debatable. So far he hasn't really altered our basic defensive outlook or, along with Bledsoe, injected much "grit" or competitiveness into our roster as a whole.
The recent discussion between Redick and Adams on Redick's podcast caught my attention. They talked about how inherently competitive Adams' old Thunder team was and how you can't "inorganically" engineer that into a team. Redick said he too "had been" on teams like that and really missed that atmosphere. Adams said yeah bro, it's really all about the players you bring together.
Didn't take much of a leap to see that neither of them thought the Pels group was very intense or competitive nor did they think the management or coaching staff could put that kind of spirit into the team without changing the group.
Hard to argue that point right now.
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:59 pm to New City Champ
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The recent discussion between Redick and Adams on Redick's podcast caught my attention. They talked about how inherently competitive Adams' old Thunder team was and how you can't "inorganically" engineer that into a team. Redick said he too "had been" on teams like that and really missed that atmosphere. Adams said yeah bro, it's really all about the players you bring together.
Easy to say for two guys who went to the playoffs every year of their career.
New coach
Our two best players show no emotion
Reddick, Bledsoe, Hart and Ball all have one foot out the door and arent invested here
NAW and Hayes are G League trash
Kira is a rookie
Adams is here but didnt ask to be apart of some shitty rebuild
Tough to build anything with the lack of continuity we've had and the lack of long term roster security. Zion and Ingram need to just get a taste of winning, something like a competitive playoff series. Get their juices flowing. The 3rd piece we put next to them needs to have some dog in him.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:05 pm to GynoSandberg
I also disagree with the premise that you can't build that. It's basically peer pressure. Get enough leaders leading the way you want and everyone else will follow.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:17 pm to TigerinATL
I mean if that’s truly the goal, build by peer pressure, then you go after Beal. Or someone of that nature.
As is I agree with Gyno mostly, and would add the difficulty of the peer pressure model is that we have made it abundantly clear this is BI and Zion’s team. They are the court leaders. They drive the personality of the team.
Adams has dog in him, but he’s neither the personality type, or in a position to take the senior position over them and leverage that to pressure our guys. Same with Bled. If we really want that, we need to bring in someone that is in fact more mature, has that dog in them, and frankly, is a better player right now and therefore becomes the alpha.
Enter Beal.
As is I agree with Gyno mostly, and would add the difficulty of the peer pressure model is that we have made it abundantly clear this is BI and Zion’s team. They are the court leaders. They drive the personality of the team.
Adams has dog in him, but he’s neither the personality type, or in a position to take the senior position over them and leverage that to pressure our guys. Same with Bled. If we really want that, we need to bring in someone that is in fact more mature, has that dog in them, and frankly, is a better player right now and therefore becomes the alpha.
Enter Beal.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:17 pm to TigerinATL
Right. They are part of the problem
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
With no summer league, a shortened training camp, and a shorter season, the ability to develop rookies was severely limited this year. That's particularly true for guys outside the top 15 picks or so, because they almost always need more development before they are actually ready to play.
Griffin was correct to trade those picks for picks next year.
Why are we worried about this year in the first place? That's exactly my point about filling this roster with replaceable journeymen. An even if we were worried about them not being able to step in this season, Bane and Tillman already are just as capable of being rotational guys as Thornwell, Willy, and Jaxson. They both had clear NBA ready skills and frames.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:30 am to kadillak
quote:
Kira was an exceptional pick and I'm happy we have him, but drafting Kira did not make this draft a win in the big picture either. This draft was widely regarded as lacking top end talent but loaded in quality depth. Instead of grabbing a Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman, Jaden McDaniels, etc., we filled these roster spots with Thornwell and Hernangomez and traded out of our picks. Our franchise should be throwing darts right now not settling for journeymen to fill out the roster.
But we have three one-dimensional centres when most teams have 1 at the most
How cool is that?
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