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re: 1.5 years into year 2 and Jax, NAW and Didi are all unplayable
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:34 am to LesGeaux45
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:34 am to LesGeaux45
To me the biggest problem with Hayes is even if he does reach a Tyson Chandler ceiling, he will take a long time to get there AND the value of centers has declined quite a bit. It just seems like a pick that didn’t reflect changes in the market.
The flip side of this is it sounds like they were trying hard to move up and draft Patrick Williams, and that would have been a good move even if it costs you Kira, who I like a lot.
The flip side of this is it sounds like they were trying hard to move up and draft Patrick Williams, and that would have been a good move even if it costs you Kira, who I like a lot.
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Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:39 am to New City Champ
To be fair we are forgetting the COVID-19 angle. That totally affected the development of young players and new teams. Additionally they wanted to slowly work Hayes into a rotation and they ended up throwing him in to it. I don’t think Hayes is horrible and the Pels didn’t miss on a superstar by trading. They unloaded a trash contract, brought in a veteran floor spacer, and got an extra first rounder.
Hayes needs to bulk up and continue to develop. The guy has potential to expand his game and is super young.
NAW has already shown he is an NBA player. Again just needs more run.
Hayes needs to bulk up and continue to develop. The guy has potential to expand his game and is super young.
NAW has already shown he is an NBA player. Again just needs more run.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:40 am to TigerinATL
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The flip side of this is it sounds like they were trying hard to move up and draft Patrick Williams, and that would have been a good move even if it costs you Kira, who I like a lot.
I’ve heard they wanted Haliburton badly as well.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:45 am to TigerinATL
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To me the biggest problem with Hayes is even if he does reach a Tyson Chandler ceiling, he will take a long time to get there AND the value of centers has declined quite a bit. It just seems like a pick that didn’t reflect changes in the market
Agreed. One of the biggest Griff criticisms from my perspective is overvaluing the center position. It's something I hope he course corrects on at some point.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:57 am to LesGeaux45
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Agreed. One of the biggest Griff criticisms from my perspective is overvaluing the center position. It's something I hope he course corrects on at some point.
Both SVG and Griffin are stuck in the past 10-15 years ago
That's why Griffin has a giant hard on for one dimensional centres for no reason at all, and SVG doesn't realise the game is won and lost on the perimeter now days
Griffin also has an extreme aversion for drafting tall, offensively competent defensive wings, who basically run the league now
Our whole front office are basically morons
This post was edited on 2/14/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/14/21 at 12:04 pm to Bronc
I agree 100% that trading back in the NBA draft is normally not going to work like the Tatum deal worked for Boston.
I have two friends who are both division 1 basketball coaches and they both loved the pick and thought Hayes would end up an all-star because they both thought he showed the signs of being an athletic big who would develop into a spacer. We have discussed his ability and potential to be a shooter here. He has shown some ability there. Unfortunately, it seems he has not shown the maturity and desire to want to expand to his game yet. It takes a lot of hard work to turn from potential to production. Maybe the mistake wasn’t scouting his skill set and potential but it was the miss on his maturity level and desire to be great.
I have two friends who are both division 1 basketball coaches and they both loved the pick and thought Hayes would end up an all-star because they both thought he showed the signs of being an athletic big who would develop into a spacer. We have discussed his ability and potential to be a shooter here. He has shown some ability there. Unfortunately, it seems he has not shown the maturity and desire to want to expand to his game yet. It takes a lot of hard work to turn from potential to production. Maybe the mistake wasn’t scouting his skill set and potential but it was the miss on his maturity level and desire to be great.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 12:11 pm to Pelefraan 1
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Both SVG and Griffin are stuck in the past 10-15 years ago
This is the easy criticism to make but I also think it's very much an incorrect criticism.
With Griff, I think the optimism bias criticism seems to fit his moves more than stuck in the past. As for SVG, other than maybe "defense first", SVG isn't tied to any particular system. He was ahead of his time as a coach in Orlando focusing on 3s and the rim on offense, and as has been mentioned in another thread, his defense is pulled from Milwaukee's recent scheme, which is one of the newer fads in the NBA.
The stuck in the past argument for both just doesn't hold water for either of them. People need to stop repeating this like it's a useful analysis and actually helps solve the problem.
This post was edited on 2/14/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/14/21 at 1:07 pm to TigerinATL
Mystery creates wonder and wonder is the basis of man's desire to understand.
SVG has a desire to get better. His ability to do so is on a learning curve; both about what his players are capable of, and, creatively, what he and his staff can figure out and understand what it will take to make these players on the Pelicans roster, now or in the future, a winning team is what is churning in his mind constantly.
Lost in the past is not something I think SVG is.
Kira is playing, right? Live, evaluate, learn.
SVG has a desire to get better. His ability to do so is on a learning curve; both about what his players are capable of, and, creatively, what he and his staff can figure out and understand what it will take to make these players on the Pelicans roster, now or in the future, a winning team is what is churning in his mind constantly.
Lost in the past is not something I think SVG is.
Kira is playing, right? Live, evaluate, learn.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 1:24 pm to Hullabaloo
quote:Not sure about that. I read that they had a deal with the Mavericks in place that if Haliburton had made it to 13, they would have traded down with Mavs for their firs and a future 1st.
I’ve heard they wanted Haliburton badly as well.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 1:54 pm to Pelefraan 1
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This has to be up there with the worst trades of all time.
So be fair year 1.5 years is only 96 games total.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 3:46 pm to ThePistol
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takes a lot of hard work to turn from potential to production. Maybe the mistake wasn’t scouting his skill set and potential but it was the miss on his maturity level and desire to be great
best take on hayes yet.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:17 pm to ThePistol
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his maturity level and desire to be great
Those are very difficult things to scout. And the pandemic has had a huge impact as well. If we had played 82 games last season, and if we'd had a normal offseason and training camp, I have no doubt that Hayes would be better.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 7:25 pm to LesGeaux45
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It was rightly considered predraft to be a 2 person draft with a dropoff after 2 and another dropoff after 3.
This is literally not fricking true. It was WRONGLY considered(by ESPN pundits and bloggers) a 2 player draft and a huge drop off after three.
There were teams though that knew better, Griff was not one of them, and we are paying the price for that.
This post was edited on 2/14/21 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:10 am to Bronc
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We have a group of guys that are very competitive,” Langdon said. “The guys that are going to come in here, mentally, are going to have to be ready. They’re going to have to be tough. They’re going to have to be strong-minded. Because I think we have a group, if you fast forward a year, is going to be ready to take a big step. Whoever’s not on board to do that — to sacrifice, to step their game up — it’s going to be difficult for those guys to survive in this environment because I just think it’s going to get more competitive and {there will be} higher expectations every year. We need to have guys with the mental fortitude and that will to be a part of this group and push this group in not only games but in practice every day. And that takes a special kind of person and those kind of people are the ones we’re looking for.”
It’s funny he says this and Hayes does not look competitive at all. Hayes and NAW seems to have mental blocks. I have no clue what Trajan is looking at honestly.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:20 am to duyp
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It’s funny he says this and Hayes does not look competitive at all. Hayes and NAW seems to have mental blocks.
At the start of camp when everyone was asking players what they thought of SVG's style, BI said he loved it but wondered how some of the younger players would react to being coached hard. It was never clear who he was referring to, but Jaxson always seemed to be at the top of the list in my mind.
NAW you hear reports about his work ethic and maturity, you see him getting shots up after a bad game. Jaxson all you ever hear about outside of games are things that have nothing to do with work ethic or being mature, like what he's wearing or making childish outbursts for being snubbed.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:41 am to Pelefraan 1
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1.5 years into year 2
Such an odd framing
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:46 am to TigerinATL
I would be curious what kind of value Kira holds right now. In the 5 games since he started getting consistent minutes he's going for 9 pts, 1.4 rbs, 2.2 asts, and 1.4 stls on 52% shooting from the field and 42% from three. I think those percentages are a little high right now, but he's showing a lot of promise.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:14 am to TigerinATL
Well, Hayes is a guy who said the nba could suck his dick for not selecting him for the rising star challenge after averaging 7 points and 4 rebounds as a rookie. I would imagine he doesn’t handle hard coaching well if he takes things that personal.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:28 am to TigerinATL
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NAW you hear reports about his work ethic and maturity, you see him getting shots up after a bad game. Jaxson all you ever hear about outside of games are things that have nothing to do with work ethic or being mature, like what he's wearing or making childish outbursts for being snubbed.
Yeah, NAW worked really hard to improve his defense, and he eliminated a lot of the dumb turnovers that we saw last year. During the early part of the COVID shutdown, he was watching film of Ginobili and making a conscious decision to model his game after Manu's. We constantly hear about his work ethic. In fact, we sometimes hear that he may be missing shots because he puts so much pressure on himself, because he wants so bad to be great.
That's absolutely the kind of young player that I want on my team. NAW is going to continue to improve, and his 37-point game against the Clips is a template for what he can become. Nickeil's ceiling is sky high.
Hayes, on the other hand, seems to have made no real improvement since the start of last season. The light bulb could still come on, but even if it does, I think that we all know that he's not a good fit next to Zion.
I really expect Hayes to get traded at the deadline, along with Lonzo and JJ. Bledsoe could go too if the right deal is there, though he might have more value in the offseason. We'll see.
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/15/21 at 9:29 am to Bronc
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This is literally not fricking true. It was WRONGLY considered(by ESPN pundits and bloggers) a 2 player draft and a huge drop off after three.
There were teams though that knew better, Griff was not one of them, and we are paying the price for that.
In hindsight this is true. Hunter or Garland would be top players on our roster right now, Herro, Rui or White would be valuable role players, possibly even starters. Bazley and Clarke look like good role players as well.
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