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re: Who is the most wasted talent in country music?

Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:54 pm to
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:54 pm to
Yeah I always heard the story of Lorrie tying their legs together at night so he would run of and drink nail polish and shite.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:02 pm to
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Robbie Fulks wrote "frick This Town" to express his disgust at Nashville.


It's disappointing for sure, especially for a guy like me. I've been working at becoming a decent writer for over 40 years. I started hitting Nashville at every opportunity back when I was young, but my songs weren't good enough yet.

It was fun back then though, easy to meet people and pick with other players and writers. Those days are gone
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:14 pm to
You could put Fulks in the 'wasted talent' category. Great writer, great guitar player, damn fine singer, and Nashville doesn't give a damn.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:18 pm to
Natalie Maines.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:30 pm to
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There is a quote from Merle Haggard (can't find it online) where he calls Campbell "one of the best voices around" or something like that, but adds that he wastes it on "lousy song material".


Merle also said that Glen Campbell had more talent in the tip of his pinky finger than Merle had in his whole body. Or something like that.

My vote goes to Townes Van Zandt.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 10:33 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:53 pm to
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My vote goes to Townes Van Zandt.


That's a solid vote.
Seemed to me though, that Townes mainly wasted himself. He had the ability to write a lot of commercially successful songs. It was a simple formula for somebody with his talent, he just always refused to do it, something something about selling out, while at the same time influencing and teaching others to have huge commercial success. He was a guru to a bunch of people. Head scratcher for me.

He had those demons though, that most of us don't have to deal with.
I understand the selling out argument for an artist, but not from a song writing perspective. As a writer you can write commercial stuff, and turn around and write whatever else you want.
I was in the same room with him a couple of times, and didn't even know who he was, and he didn't even catch my attention that much. I was working towards doing stuff like Harland Howard, or KK, Roger Murrah, Roger Miller..hits. He ended up having a big influence commercially, for a period of time, but damn it could have been a better ending. I remember them taking up collections and stuff for him, at The song writers association and some bars. I gave what I could, and it wasn't much.
The way I always thought about this writing thing: Write some good honky tonk dance songs, I'm still working on that...while working on your serious relationship songs, and evolve into your beliefs/ religion/ lack there of, the simple stuff needs to come first though.
writing the dumbest songs of my life now, but kind of liking the silliness good time aspect of it.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 1:40 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 1/29/20 at 8:58 am to
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Robbie Fulks
My favorite of his is with Kelly Willis
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:18 am to
Stugril Simpson since he likes to make indie-rock records now for some ungodly reason.
Posted by GAAtty70
Member since Nov 2015
905 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:51 am to
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Natalie Maines.


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The Robison sisters are talented for sure but were languishing when Maines came aboard. Before the shtf the Chicks were on top of the world. I was and remain a huge fan, but it is just sad to see that happen.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/29/20 at 1:44 pm to
I'm not sure what actually defines "wasted talent", but my vote goes to David Allan Coe. He is a tremendous song writer and IMO his voice was the best country music ever had.

His ego and weirdness has kept him from ever being mentioned at award shows or hall of fame.

His early racist albums sure didn't help either.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14457 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 2:50 pm to
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Gary Stewart
She's Actin Single
Out of Hand
Ten Years of This
Your Place or Mine
My fav. - Drinkin' Thing

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Wade Hayes
Old Enough to Know Better
Also...
What I Meant to Say
The Day She Left Tulsa
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
27194 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:09 pm to
I feel the same way. He is the true outlaw of country music. He said what he meant but that ended up costing him.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87396 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:24 pm to
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His ego
He sure mentioned David Allen Coe a lot
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31513 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:49 pm to
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Stugril Simpson since he likes to make indie-rock records now for some ungodly reason.



yeah, you have no idea as to what indie rock is apparently. sturgill put out a ROCK record. there is a huge difference.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:57 pm to
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yeah, you have no idea as to what indie rock is apparently. sturgill put out a ROCK record. there is a huge difference.


meh, sounds pretty indie to me, but regardless, it sucks imo
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
27194 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 4:40 pm to
They would have had more success but back in 2003 that changed. She became too political and it was the beginning of the end.

A Johnny cash song best described it.

The one on the right is on the left
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
13988 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 6:11 pm to
Charlie Robison was married to Dixie Chick Emily. This is a song he wrote about her: Beautiful Day

Well, she's hangin down in venice, with her siamese cat
She's tellin' everybody she's a democrat

Well, she's leavin colorado, leavin san antone
Leavin everybody, goin on her own
Sister says she might need a little more blow


Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:18 am to
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The way I always thought about this writing thing: Write some good honky tonk dance songs, I'm still working on that...while working on your serious relationship songs, and evolve into your beliefs/ religion/ lack there of, the simple stuff needs to come first though.
writing the dumbest songs of my life now, but kind of liking the silliness good time aspect of it.


An old acquaintance of mine is involved in songwriting in Nashville. He explained to me how interchangeable a lot of the “hits” are these days and the formulas used. It’s probably pretty difficult for a lot of older, true, good songwriters to adapt or to take the route you have.

Darrell Scott, for instance, is an amazing singer, musician and songwriter, but his songs generally run a little too deep for Nashville’s current taste.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
23780 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 8:17 am to
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Keith Whitley


Easily. He'd be a living legend today if he hadn't died so young.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31581 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:14 am to
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An old acquaintance of mine is involved in songwriting in Nashville. He explained to me how interchangeable a lot of the “hits” are these days and the formulas used. It’s probably pretty difficult for a lot of older, true, good songwriters to adapt or to take the route you have.


Well, I haven't had much commercial success, so I don't have that professional pride thing getting in my way. I can just consider everything a new learning challenge, and try to keep on adapting. It can be fun though.
Tried one of my silliest new ones out on a couple of good older pickers at the guitar shop the other day, and had them rolling laughing.
It's kind of like a punk country/rockabilly twist song called White Lightnin Space Rocket and its a love song, but a fun song.
At the same time, I've tried to kick what I write as far as serious stuff, up a notch too, and learning to incorporate more spooky type stories, or supernatural, whatever. Make it out of the ordinary, and write it well.

It may not ever pay off, but I'm not the type who gives up easily. I have to keep hacking away. I enjoy it too.

By the way, Darrell Scott is a familiar name to me for some reason.
I see why it's familiar now, I just looked him up, He's really great.
Interesting that he had a song titled- The Invisible Man, I have a song with the same title that goes in a different direction. About the average working guy.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 11:16 am
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