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re: Ken Burns - Country Music Documentary on PBS
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:02 pm to OldHickory
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:02 pm to OldHickory
quote:It's based as much on Hank as Jimmie
To reply to a couple of you who mentioned Jimmie Rodgers, Clint Eastwood did a movie back in the early 80’s called “Honkytonk Man” which was loosely based on the story of J.R. Not the best Eastwood movie, but pretty good. Deals with a singer dying from TB just as he’s making the big time. Also stars Kyle Eastwood, Marty Robbins, and Barry Corbin.
Kyle (Clint's son, playing his nephew) is pretty bad, but the acting dishonors go to the young girl who joins them on the road (forgot her name), whose insane overacting is especially jarring next to the sleepwalking of Clint and Kyle.
IIRC this young actress tragically died shortly after the film was released.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:06 pm to Kafka
quote:
It's based as much on Hank as Jimmie
Not according to what I can find with Google. All the sources I'm seeing say just Jimmie.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:48 pm to SCLibertarian
I grew up listening to Punk, Prog, Zep and the Talking Heads, then life happened and my first gig in Nashville was tour guide at the old Country Music Hall of Fame and RCA Studio B.
You had to learn your shite and it was terrifying facing my first live rounds tour.
This Doc sends me down memory lane big time. It’s a trip to recognize Deford, Uncle Dave et al. on sight.
And Marty shreds on Mando.
You had to learn your shite and it was terrifying facing my first live rounds tour.
This Doc sends me down memory lane big time. It’s a trip to recognize Deford, Uncle Dave et al. on sight.
And Marty shreds on Mando.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:41 pm to Backinthe615
Great episode tonight. The 3rd installment.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:59 pm to OldHickory
quote:
Great episode tonight. The 3rd installment.
On Hank William's Birthday.
First episode that I have been able to watch. Damn great job, subject treated with dignity.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:16 pm to Backinthe615
quote:
I grew up listening to Punk, Prog, Zep and the Talking Heads, then life happened and my first gig in Nashville was tour guide at the old Country Music Hall of Fame and RCA Studio B. You had to learn your shite and it was terrifying facing my first live rounds tour. This Doc sends me down memory lane big time. It’s a trip to recognize Deford, Uncle Dave et al. on sight. And Marty shreds on Mando.
From what I gathered from tonight's episode it seems to be an authentic tour guide at the Country Music Hall of Fame you had to first piss off Bill Monroe.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:32 pm to 88Wildcat
Even Pee Wee King, got a mention..
"Fly the ocean in a silver plane- see the jungle when it's wet with rain-just remember till you're home again-you belong to me"
That's a hell of a song.
"Fly the ocean in a silver plane- see the jungle when it's wet with rain-just remember till you're home again-you belong to me"
That's a hell of a song.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:46 pm to monsterballads
quote:
country music is the white mans blues and really always has been. that shouldn't be news to anyone as far as the origins go. and that's not being political. country is based off of the 12 bar blues scale with variation
I guess I left this part out: Blues, as we know it, depends on the European Scale of music.
There's been a lot of give and take, going on for a long time.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:20 am to auggie
Wish they could have had Hank III on to talk about his grandfather. He's so much like him.
Unfortunately, you have to wonder if he's going to end up just like him.
Unfortunately, you have to wonder if he's going to end up just like him.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:49 am to Sayre
I've listened to Bill Monroe's Mules Skinner Blues plenty of times, but I never realized it was a cover. The show taught me that it was a cover of a Jimmie Rodgers song called Blue Yodel No. 8 (Mule Skinner Blues). But there's a little more to the story.
I noticed that the Rodgers lyric sheet they showed differed from how Dolly sang it on the cover they played on the show.
Well, it looks like everyone from pop to punk bands have rewritten it in various ways.
Rodgers 1930 recording appears to have borrowed the first verse from Tom Dickson's 1928 recording "Labor Blues." Dickson was a black Delta bluesman who appears to have recorded just 4 songs, all pretty similar. He may have lifted lines himself -- I'm just guessing here -- from field hollers or traditional songs that came before him, but who knows.
What caught my eye on the Rodgers lyrics sheet was the reference to Shine, an old racial term. That started with Dickson, who sang of quitting the job, not applying, because the Captain didn't pay.
Dickson sang it:
It’s "good mornin’ Captain", ‘e said "good mornin’ Shine",
Said "good mornin’ Captain", said "good mornin’ Shine".
"T’ain’t nuthin’ the matter, Captain, but I just ain’t gwine.
"I don’t mind workin’, Captain, from sun to sun,
I don’t mind workin’, Captain, from sun to sun.
But I want my money, Captain, when pay-day come."
Jimmie Rodgers wrote it as if applying for the job:
Good mornin' Captain
Good mornin' Shine
Do you need another mule skinner
Out on your new mud line?
I'm not sure if Rodgers saw himself as the Shine in the song, or if he was speaking to the Cap's helper. Who knows?
Later artists cleaned it up.
Bill Monroe went with:
Good morning captain. Good morning son
Do you need another mule skinner
Out on your new road line
Dolly Parton sang:
Well, good morning, Captain
Good morning to you, Sir
Hey hey yeah
Here are a couple of articles that talk about the history of the song.
Lyric Of The Week: Jimmie Rodgers, “Mule Skinner Blues (Blue Yodel No. 8)”
No Mules Were Skinned: The History of the Muleskinner Blues
An in-depth study of Tom Dickson's recorded output
I'd like to hear a shredding rock version. Aerosmith or Van Halen could have killed on this in the early days.
I noticed that the Rodgers lyric sheet they showed differed from how Dolly sang it on the cover they played on the show.
Well, it looks like everyone from pop to punk bands have rewritten it in various ways.
Rodgers 1930 recording appears to have borrowed the first verse from Tom Dickson's 1928 recording "Labor Blues." Dickson was a black Delta bluesman who appears to have recorded just 4 songs, all pretty similar. He may have lifted lines himself -- I'm just guessing here -- from field hollers or traditional songs that came before him, but who knows.
What caught my eye on the Rodgers lyrics sheet was the reference to Shine, an old racial term. That started with Dickson, who sang of quitting the job, not applying, because the Captain didn't pay.
Dickson sang it:
It’s "good mornin’ Captain", ‘e said "good mornin’ Shine",
Said "good mornin’ Captain", said "good mornin’ Shine".
"T’ain’t nuthin’ the matter, Captain, but I just ain’t gwine.
"I don’t mind workin’, Captain, from sun to sun,
I don’t mind workin’, Captain, from sun to sun.
But I want my money, Captain, when pay-day come."
Jimmie Rodgers wrote it as if applying for the job:
Good mornin' Captain
Good mornin' Shine
Do you need another mule skinner
Out on your new mud line?
I'm not sure if Rodgers saw himself as the Shine in the song, or if he was speaking to the Cap's helper. Who knows?
Later artists cleaned it up.
Bill Monroe went with:
Good morning captain. Good morning son
Do you need another mule skinner
Out on your new road line
Dolly Parton sang:
Well, good morning, Captain
Good morning to you, Sir
Hey hey yeah
Here are a couple of articles that talk about the history of the song.
Lyric Of The Week: Jimmie Rodgers, “Mule Skinner Blues (Blue Yodel No. 8)”
No Mules Were Skinned: The History of the Muleskinner Blues
An in-depth study of Tom Dickson's recorded output
I'd like to hear a shredding rock version. Aerosmith or Van Halen could have killed on this in the early days.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:22 am to Twenty 49
I was amazed by how often they re-purposed melodies (sometimes by songs that were on the charts simultaneously).
It seemed to be standard operating procedure, except with Hank Williams Jr. calling out Rock Around the Clock as a rip on Move it on Over.
It seemed to be standard operating procedure, except with Hank Williams Jr. calling out Rock Around the Clock as a rip on Move it on Over.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:18 am to Fewer Kilometers
They all did it. Hank Williams “Jambalaya” appropriated the melody from Papa Cairo Lamperez’ “Big Texas” .
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:35 pm to Twenty 49
Jerry Reed does a good version of Mule Skinner Blues.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:39 pm to 88Wildcat
quote:
Country Music Hall of Fame you had to first piss off Bill Monroe
My Father was a highly successful Nashville musician during the late 60's through the mid 80's. His favorite Bill Monroe story goes like this.
Dale Sellers, who was a young left handed guitar player had made a reputation for himself doing session work and eventually wound up on a session for Monroe. Sellers knew Monroe was vain and before the session began, he jumped up and showered Bill with praises. Just as Monroe was starting to lap it up the kid says.....yes sir Mr. Monroe, you're one of my idols....but you sure are ugly in person!
Monroe stormed into the control room and asked the producer "who that wrong-handed guitarist was?" The producer told Monroe who Dale was and that he was a very talented picker. Monroe told him to get rid of him. The producer said, if we get rid of him, we will still have to pay him for the session and then we will have to pay for another picker to come in.
Monroe paced back and forth for a few seconds and told the producer......well, work him hard then!
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:43 pm to auggie
quote:
y is based off of the 12 bar blues scale with variatio
I have no problem with this at all. The vast majority of musicians who started the genre were just as poor as the blacks they encountered. Rodgers and the Carters did the same thing musicians have been doing forever. Took bits and pieces of what they liked and shaped it into something they liked even better.
I hear blues, gospel (white and black) and Scotch/Irish in the early versions.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:45 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
I was amazed by how often they re-purposed melodies
Have you listened to the top 40 country songs out this week?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:08 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
Have you listened to the top 40 country songs out this week?
underrated post.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:32 pm to auggie
quote:
On Hank William's Birthday. First episode that I have been able to watch. Damn great job, subject treated with dignity
Did you see the part where they said Hank met Audrey after her first husband had walked out on her? Her first husband was my grandfather and he did NOT walk out in her, he joined the army and was fighting in WW2.
I wish I knew where all the documentaries get the idea he left her and their daughter. He was sending his paychecks home to support them the whole time she was shacked up with Hank. He only learned about Hank when he returned from active duty and found Audrey gone.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:56 pm to REB BEER
quote:
Did you see the part where they said Hank met Audrey after her first husband had walked out on her? Her first husband was my grandfather and he did NOT walk out in her, he joined the army and was fighting in WW2. I wish I knew where all the documentaries get the idea he left her and their daughter. He was sending his paychecks home to support them the whole time she was shacked up with Hank. He only learned about Hank when he returned from active duty and found Audrey gone.
That's damn interesting right there, and I don't doubt you.
There's truth, and there is popular myth, and the longer that things go sometimes, the popular myth becomes Gospel Truth, To people who want to claim inside knowledge.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:12 pm to FightinTigersDammit
You’re way off base, sport
The discussion of race is not out of proportion whatsoever. Mostly only mentioned when relevant to the musical form
The discussion of race is not out of proportion whatsoever. Mostly only mentioned when relevant to the musical form
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:16 pm
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