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Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:41 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Nope
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:56 pm to Liberator
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Here's Rap defined: (generously)
Even your definition of rap is ignorant, shocking I know.
Heres a better one for ya:
Rapping (also rhyming, flowing, spitting, emceeingor MCing is an artistic form of vocal delivery and emotive expression that incorporates "rhyme, rhythmic speech, and [commonly] street vernacular". It is usually performed over a backing beat or musical accompaniment.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:27 pm to Liberator
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So, NO. NOT "Music". EVER. It's Noise.
This thread went about how I would expect it to, wow. I should be surprised that there are people that genuinely think rap isn't music, but I'm not. Man there are some idiotic takes in this thread, yours probably being the worst.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:42 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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This holds true for every genre of music. There is probably more really shitty rock and country music than all other genres combined.
Nope. Like I said, it’s on the same level with modern bro country and 80s hair bands. There are exceptions in all, but most of it is low brow garbage on a musical level.
I play guitar and a couple other instruments, write songs and musical compositions. I went to school and have a degree in audio technology and have worked in multiple studios. I’m familiar with all the programs and DAWs that are used in rap and other genres. My opinion remains.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:One could at least understand perhaps the view that certain types of rap aren't music - but hip hop was part of the question too! In what world is hip hop not music?
This thread went about how I would expect it to, wow. I should be surprised that there are people that genuinely think rap isn't music, but I'm not. Man there are some idiotic takes in this thread, yours probably being the worst.
This is like asking if Cannibal Corpse is music. I love metal but think CC is funny and stupid. I could EASILY see someone refusing to recognize it as music. But they'd be wrong too.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 4:44 pm to rutiger
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What about the plethora of quality 80’s music that used drum machines?
That’s a valid point. My answer would be the Linn machine, which was the primary machine used in the 80’s, was a far cry from the machines that came later. Lots of tracks that used a drum machine back then also featured a drummer because the high hat patterns and cymbals were terrible, and often, as we’ve now learned, those drummers went uncredited. In addition, drum machines then were used simply as a time/money saving tool. They weren’t used because the producer couldn’t simply call Jeff Poccaro and ask him to come down and play on the track. But as Daryl Hall once said….yes, we use a drum machine because I don’t have to pay it, it works all the time and it’s never late.
In addition, by the mid 80’s there was a tremendous amount of “triggering” being used, where drummers played a drum kit that triggered the drums from a machine. When this would take place it was easy for listeners to assume that what they were hearing was 100% machine.
Still, I admit that there was lots of good music made using a drum machine (Boys of Summer, Everybody Wants to Rule The World, Sunset Grill) But I’ll add that for a drummer, it was easy to tell if the machine had been programmed by a drummer or not just based on some of the quirky fills and time signatures. Also, many of those artists who allowed producers to talk them into using the Linn, now regret doing so. John Fogerty used the Linn on his Centerfield album and believes it ruined many of those songs.
I used drum machines as an example, but I should have gone further and stated that drum machines were simply the first step in music losing much of its soul. With Pro Tools, everyone is a musician.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:00 pm to geauxbrown
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That’s a valid point. My answer would be the Linn machine, which was the primary machine used in the 80’s, was a far cry from the machines that came later. Lots of tracks that used a drum machine back then also featured a drummer because the high hat patterns and cymbals were terrible, and often, as we’ve now learned, those drummers went uncredited. In addition, drum machines then were used simply as a time/money saving tool. They weren’t used because the producer couldn’t simply call Jeff Poccaro and ask him to come down and play on the track. But as Daryl Hall once said….yes, we use a drum machine because I don’t have to pay it, it works all the time and it’s never late.
In addition, by the mid 80’s there was a tremendous amount of “triggering” being used, where drummers played a drum kit that triggered the drums from a machine. When this would take place it was easy for listeners to assume that what they were hearing was 100% machine.
Still, I admit that there was lots of good music made using a drum machine (Boys of Summer, Everybody Wants to Rule The World, Sunset Grill) But I’ll add that for a drummer, it was easy to tell if the machine had been programmed by a drummer or not just based on some of the quirky fills and time signatures. Also, many of those artists who allowed producers to talk them into using the Linn, now regret doing so. John Fogerty used the Linn on his Centerfield album and believes it ruined many of those songs.
I used drum machines as an example, but I should have gone further and stated that drum machines were simply the first step in music losing much of its soul. With Pro Tools, everyone is a musician.
All this right here. You needed an expert engineer or musician to operate those early synths and drum machines. And yes, much of the “electronic” drum sounds people are speaking of are just drum triggers on a normal drum kit.
My wife knows nothing about music theory or production and I could have her creating “beats” on one of the modern programs in a day.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:41 pm to geauxbrown
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Still, I admit that there was lots of good music made using a drum machine (Boys of Summer, Everybody Wants to Rule The World, Sunset Grill
You forgot Velcro Fly by ZZ Top.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:57 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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You forgot Velcro Fly….
Good one!
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:04 am to geauxbrown
Lololololol……
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This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 1:07 am
Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:01 am to FormerPokeCenter
fwiw, that quote from Garcia was from the early 90's. Not that it makes it any more or less correct, but rap was really kind of just out of it's infancy there, and it hadn't really branched out into what it eventually evolved into. Up to the end of the 80's most commercial rap was just beats and rhyming and that's likely what he'd heard. I'm guessing this is the type of rap he's referring to.
Either way, as much as I love Garcia and the Dead, he's wrong. Rap is definitely music, just as much as rock, country, jazz, pop, etc.
Anyone that doesn't say rap doesn't have melody, harmony, singing, etc hasn't listened to much of it.
Either way, as much as I love Garcia and the Dead, he's wrong. Rap is definitely music, just as much as rock, country, jazz, pop, etc.
Anyone that doesn't say rap doesn't have melody, harmony, singing, etc hasn't listened to much of it.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 10:34 am
Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:41 am to CharlieTiger
If you can dance to it … then it is music.
If you cannot move to “ATLiens” or anything from Tribe, Digable Planets, the Pharcyde etc … then you need to reexamine what music is.
If you cannot move to “ATLiens” or anything from Tribe, Digable Planets, the Pharcyde etc … then you need to reexamine what music is.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:41 am to BigOrangeBri
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The problem in this argument is some people say all music is art. That is simply just not the case. There is some rap music that you can consider art, but it’s a much lower percentage, similar to bro country and hair bands.
It’s music, but most of it just isn’t very good.
I would mostly agree with this statement. Then the question becomes, "What is art?" which is something people have been debating forever. I think we would all likely agree that Pink Floyd's "Time" is art in a way that Nikki Minaj's "Starships" probably is not - but why is that the case? Is it because the former deals with themes that are deeper than just "I like to party"? What about Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love"? I mean, we all know what that song is about: "Girl, I want to frick you." Is that theme really so much deeper than loving to party? Where do we draw the line?
People use various arguments to try and show that rap or hip hop are not music. "It doesn't have enough melody!" "It's nothing but repetitive beats!" "It doesn't take any talent to make a rap song!" To those points I would contend that Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica has precious little melody, any riff-based rock song is really nothing more than a repetitive beat, and most punk bands made a point out of not being very good at their instruments and writing simple songs, and yet we aren't here debating about whether any of those things are or are not music. I wonder why that is?
In the end this is an objective question to which some people want to give a very subjective answer. Those who hate rap or hip hop want to denigrate it by claiming that it is not music. You never hear anyone say, "I'm a huge rap fan, but yeah, I agree that it isn't actually music." And let me be clear: I do not care for most hip hop or rap, at all. But I don't have to be a fan to appreciate its musicality. I cannot stand most jazz but I am certainly not going to try to convince anyone that it isn't actually music.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:05 am to TheTideMustRoll
Gooooood answer.
I'm gonna be watching you...
I'm gonna be watching you...
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:14 am to SaintlyTiger88
Most of it is absolute garbage. What a shite genre.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 9:52 pm to SUB
Sampling is nothing more than a technical copy and paste. It’s not an instrument nor human performance.
My opinion on the original question… Rap or hip hop is musical, but not music as packaged for radio format. It does lack melody, live instruments, and structure. However, it invokes a response from its listeners.
To me it’s like juxtaposing Mozart to African tribal rhythms. They both invoke a positive response from the listeners with very different approaches. One is organized around mastery of instrumentation and arrangement while the other percussive rhythms. One is not better, they’re simply different.
BTW - I really dislike modern rap and hip hop.
My opinion on the original question… Rap or hip hop is musical, but not music as packaged for radio format. It does lack melody, live instruments, and structure. However, it invokes a response from its listeners.
To me it’s like juxtaposing Mozart to African tribal rhythms. They both invoke a positive response from the listeners with very different approaches. One is organized around mastery of instrumentation and arrangement while the other percussive rhythms. One is not better, they’re simply different.
BTW - I really dislike modern rap and hip hop.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:02 pm to RoscoeSanCarlos
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It does lack melody, live instruments, and structure.
Do you realize how stupid you sound?
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I really dislike modern rap and hip hop
You shouldve just started with this and saved everyone’s time.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:07 am to rutiger
Mother fricker, I’ve been playing music (guitar, bass, singing, writting, etc.) for over 45 fricking years. I’ve forgotten more than your arse will ever know about music. To anyone who knows anything about music… you sound like the fricking idiot you are. Kiss my Rosie white arse you punk arse piece of shite!
Posted on 3/21/24 at 7:12 am to SaintlyTiger88
How is not considered music???
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