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re: Can someone explain rock guitar solos to me? Most just sound like random noise to me.

Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 12:49 pm to
For me (as a guitar player), it's somewhere in the middle. A good soulful solo is a thing of beauty, regardless of how fast it's played. I can also appreciate shredding to a degree because of the level of skill it requires to be really good at it. While alot of shredding is just thousands of notes played at blistering speed with no real feel, certain players can actually pull off soulful shred. Buckethead and John Petrucci are two good examples IMO. Nottingham Lace by Buckethead has shred but is one of my all time favorite songs. Glasgow Kiss by John Petrucci is another great song with shred in it.
Posted by icutmyownlawn
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 5:16 pm to
Megadeth - Hangar 18

That is all.

Carry on...
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:32 am to
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guitar solos complement the songs they're featured in.

This right here.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:38 am to
Yup - see Dickey Betts/Dwayne Allman
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 8:58 am to
"Daylight" - Failure

This is my favorite guitar solo of all time. I'm pretty sure Greg Edwards recorded it (both he and Ken Andrews are credited with guitars on the album, but Edwards played it in the live performance I've seen a recording of). It most definitely does not shred, but instead uses simple note progression and a heavy dose of effects to create a sound that meshes perfectly with the dark, depressing mood of the song and turns the guitar into something almost unrecognizable - an agonized wail fitting to close an album about wanting to escape from heroin addiction but being unable to do so. It is the sort of thing David Gilmour would have played had he been born thirty years later, and I really can't give it any higher praise than that.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 10:14 am to
Another solo I hate: “Cult of Personality” by Living Colour.

Great song, but I hate the solo. Just sounds like noise.
Posted by Tigerhalen
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:25 pm to
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Maybe that’s what I don’t like. “Shredding”.

I’ve been perusing through some music videos to find guitar solos I hate, because I made this thread without anything specific in mind.. it’s just something I’ve always thought and made a thread about it. But while looking up “greatest guitar solos”, I came across “Eruption” by Van Halen.

I absolutely hate it. It just sounds like noise. Is that considered “shredding”?


But it’s not just “noise.” It’s very difficult to play correctly (to not make it sound like just noise; you would hear the difference), and it is melodic. He also is incorporating some elements of classical music in it.

“Cult of Personality” would sound like noise if someone who didn’t know how to play tried to play it.

Judging by the solos you like, it seems lyou like slower solos, not “shredding,” like you said. There’s nothing wrong with that. I personally love to hear the melodic shredding, like Eddie Van Halen, Kirk Hammett, Zakk Wylde, etc.
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 4:11 pm
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:34 pm to
Shredding solos tend to be heavily influenced by classical music ( Mozart, Bizet, Bach, Beethoven, etc) or by Bebop jazz (Myles Davis, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Django Reinhardt, etc).

In Bebop, the focus was often less on making something that purely sounded pleasing, but also on making something that other artists could not duplicate. Black artists had grown frustrated from having their parts stolen by and repurposed by white musicians who could profit from them without crediting them. So, they set out to compose and perform music so technically challenging that no one else could play what they were playing, and thus could never duplicate or steal their work.

I believe this motivation to create something others cannot copy is a common one among shreddy lead guitarists.
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 12:53 pm to
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Can someone explain rock guitar solos to me? Most just sound like random noise to me.
Good solos have a theme and a melody. I'm not sure what else to say. Most are not "random". It's funny that you listed "Teen Spirit" as one you liked - it's not even really a solo. It's just the guitar doing the vocal melody.

Try this "slower" solo (also sort of a bass solo going on underneath) and tell me what you think. It then transitions into the "fast" solos.

Iron Maiden- Powerslave
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted by finchmeister08
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by Crow Pie
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 3:44 pm to
I believe this is what you need to hear to understand the concept you seek.

Music Dont Stop ..EVER
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71175 posts
Posted on 7/16/21 at 3:59 pm to
Can someone explain warm bread to me? I just don’t get the appeal. I also don’t understand why people enjoy puppies, pizza, sex, a cold draft beer, boobs, or a sip of ice cold lemonade right after finishing mowing the grass on a hot summer day.

Yet people seem to love it. What am I missing?
This post was edited on 7/16/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted by Mizooag94
Hillbillyville, MO
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 7/16/21 at 4:13 pm to
Lots of good replies but...

Zappa
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:28 am to
quote:

explain rock guitar solos
Guess you have to break them down into:

1) I'm going to now play something free-form, without regard to the key, time signature, or chord structure for as long as I damn well please... (and just not entirely related to shredding)

or

2) Oh it's my time to do something interesting for the next 12-to-16 bars, and it's passed onto the next, and the next. Where originality is key but pays back some melodic homage to the song. And when done in repeated manner follows the verse-chorus form ad nauseam. (and can also include shredding).

or

3) Some combination of the two. When some big stars become well known and forget what got them there... (or feel obligated to play longer for the enormous wad of money you just wasted)
Posted by Telecaster
Memphis
Member since May 2017
2307 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:08 am to
Glorious Noise

…and he only has one lung.
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
742 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Shredding solos tend to be heavily influenced by classical music ( Mozart, Bizet, Bach, Beethoven, etc) or by Bebop jazz (Myles Davis, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Django Reinhardt, etc).

In Bebop, the focus was often less on making something that purely sounded pleasing, but also on making something that other artists could not duplicate. Black artists had grown frustrated from having their parts stolen by and repurposed by white musicians who could profit from them without crediting them. So, they set out to compose and perform music so technically challenging that no one else could play what they were playing, and thus could never duplicate or steal their work.

I believe this motivation to create something others cannot copy is a common one among shreddy lead guitarists.


This is a lot of it. In jazz, frequently solos are built on a harmonic foundation of the original piece (using chord progressions) as opposed to the melody, so if you aren't very familiar with that either from study or just ear training, it can be hard to understand what's being played and why it has any relationship to the base "song". So an "improvised composition" based on the original work's harmonic structure is a jazz thing and it's had some influence on rock guitar solos.

I don't think it's necessarily a thing you just "get" or not. Your ear/brain can learn to recognize elements of it. I haven't had formal training, and I can't tell you technically what's going on, but after years of just listening I can get a sense of "something's there".

Sometimes it's just about energy, too.



Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

quote:
guitar solos complement the songs they're featured in.

This right here.




Agreed. Mark Knopfler is a genius at this. Also Betts/Allman as the other poster noted.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27992 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 5:28 pm to
As with most types of music........less is more. I enjoy instrumental solos of all types, although I truly appreciate a well thought out and played solo.

Posted by EyeOfTheTiger311
Lafayette, LA
Member since Aug 2005
4595 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:15 pm to
Tremonti - Dust

Listen to this solo. If this doesn't make you feel something, I don't know what to tell you.
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