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re: Better Guitarist: Zappa or Garcia?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:06 am to Treacherous Cretin
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:06 am to Treacherous Cretin
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It's like comparing roses to peaches
Brilliant!
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:57 am to redneck hippie
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However, Frank is obviously technically more proficient but he doesn't have the soul Garcia does. I mean no one really does.
Lol
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:29 am to Burt Reynolds
I'd rather listen to Garcia
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:52 am to Burt Reynolds
Easily Zappa.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:03 pm to Damone
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I'd rather listen to Garcia
Listen to more Frank.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:03 pm to rebelrouser
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Easily Zappa.
Listen to more Jerry.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:27 am to Treacherous Cretin
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It's like comparing roses to peaches.
Well said, but for me it's more like turnips to cauliflower, both would work in a pinch but neither one gets me excited.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 6:02 am to Burt Reynolds
Jesus Christ I had to bump this just because it is something that I have dwelt upon for a long time and because I am fricking fricked up to the max.
Both Jerry and Frank are my heroes.
Frank is in the face of the main stream and Jerry is subversively subducting your daugthters. I love it.
I still vote Jerry.
Man, I can remember walking into an outdoor concert in Cinncinnati that was already in progress with the cops busting people on my left and my right and the LSD just kicking in and hearing the sweet, unique bended chords that Jerry's guitar was putting out. It froze everyone in their place. There never has been a sound put out by a human on guitar that stopped the east coast twirlers twirling and the unwashed heathens like me from giggling at Jerry's slow, million sounds within one note of Row Jimmy or They Love Each Other.
Both Jerry and Frank are my heroes.
Frank is in the face of the main stream and Jerry is subversively subducting your daugthters. I love it.
I still vote Jerry.
Man, I can remember walking into an outdoor concert in Cinncinnati that was already in progress with the cops busting people on my left and my right and the LSD just kicking in and hearing the sweet, unique bended chords that Jerry's guitar was putting out. It froze everyone in their place. There never has been a sound put out by a human on guitar that stopped the east coast twirlers twirling and the unwashed heathens like me from giggling at Jerry's slow, million sounds within one note of Row Jimmy or They Love Each Other.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 6:49 am
Posted on 12/24/17 at 6:49 am to Burt Reynolds
Zappa
Posted on 12/24/17 at 9:30 am to Flame Salamander
Garcia and its not up for debate
As technically brilliant as Zappa is, he never had an arena of 20,000 people dialed in, hanging on every note, moving as one.
There was nothing else like a Grateful Dead concert.....NOTHING.
As technically brilliant as Zappa is, he never had an arena of 20,000 people dialed in, hanging on every note, moving as one.
There was nothing else like a Grateful Dead concert.....NOTHING.
This post was edited on 12/24/17 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/24/17 at 10:04 am to Damone
quote:^^ this ^^
I'd rather listen to Garcia
...but I''m the type who prefers wood to electric most days. The whole who's better thing is overdone, as it is for most things, it's more likely who was better that day (or that song) than who was best ever, this week, or year. Even Michael Jordan wasn't the best every day or year.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 12:22 pm to 14&Counting
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As technically brilliant as Zappa is, he never had an arena of 20,000 people dialed in, hanging on every note, moving as one.
Because Zappa didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator. With that said, they were both great technical guitarist. I just think Zappa was/is more interesting to listen to.
Posted on 12/24/17 at 2:41 pm to Burt Reynolds
Zappa
Posted on 12/24/17 at 5:27 pm to 14&Counting
quote:Yes he did
As technically brilliant as Zappa is, he never had an arena of 20,000 people dialed in, hanging on every note, moving as one.
At one point there was a large group of people touring around to see Zappa play just like the Dead
But that wasn't the point with Zappa. The touring and the live improv and all that was not what he cared about. They didn't build it up to be this whole "thing" like the Dead did. shite he didn't even tour that much overall.
Compare amount of album releases of the two men/bands. Zappa was in the studio when Dead was hitting Camden for the 45th time, maaan
And just because Zappa just didn't make it all about silly dancing bears and turtles and retarded half baked LSD mythology that eventually turned into a weird hippie cult in the 80s. And because of that cult people today say stuff like "but like 20,000 people like dialed in, like, maaan"
The Dead "scene" and the fallen messiah myth draped around Jerry are as much to contribute to this whole "no one could play like Jerr dude" concept than anything.
Frank Zappa was a better guitar player and musician than Jerry Garcia. That's not something debatable. It's a fact.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 12:59 pm to danman6336
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At one point there was a large group of people touring around to see Zappa play just like the Dead
When was that? When was Zappa ever filling 20,000 seat arenas? I don't actually know of many 20,000 seat arenas. MSG is the only one I know and Zappa never played it. The Dead played it 52 times from '79 to '94. Zappa only ever played the Felt Forum. The Dead played the Felt Forum four times in '71.
When was Zappa's following ever similar to the Dead's outside of the 60's when they were lucky to count their audiences by the hundreds and anything over a thousand was a huge deal?
Posted on 12/26/17 at 2:22 pm to Treacherous Cretin
Hard to compare the two since no one ever chopped off half of one of Zappa's fingers.
Posted on 12/26/17 at 5:15 pm to Treacherous Cretin
quote:So just out of curiousity I went through and clicked a random year both bands toured the US. 1981.
When was that? When was Zappa ever filling 20,000 seat arenas? I don't actually know of many 20,000 seat arenas. MSG is the only one I know and Zappa never played it. The Dead played it 52 times from '79 to '94. Zappa only ever played the Felt Forum. The Dead played the Felt Forum four times in '71.
When was Zappa's following ever similar to the Dead's outside of the 60's when they were lucky to count their audiences by the hundreds and anything over a thousand was a huge deal?
Both played Hartford Civic Center. Both played Uptown Theater in Chicago. Both played Kansas City Municipal. Both played Kiel Auditorium in St Louis, both played Stanley Theatre in Pittsburg, MacArthur Court in Eugene, The Summit in Houston, Aladdin Theatre in Vegas. etc etc etc. I could continue for a long while. That's just from 5 minutes of comparing tours.
And that's just one tour from one year. Both groups had been around for over a decade.
Don't make it sound like Zappa was playing bar rooms and the Dead were selling out stadiums. I know Deadheads like to think they're bigger and better than all the rest (I know what it's like as a Phish fan), but in reality they were playing to basically the same crowds, in the same places.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 6:36 am to danman6336
Nice, this is entering the popularity contest section of the argument- always a barometer for quality discussion. Zappa was never on MTV!!!
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 6:36 am
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:21 pm to danman6336
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in reality they were playing to basically the same crowds, in the same places.
If you think Zappa ever had a following that approached the Dead you are delusional...there is a reason for that.....I am hard pressed to think of a meaningful Zappa song except that shite he did with his kid: Valley Girl.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:36 pm to 14&Counting
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I am hard pressed to think of a meaningful Zappa song except that shite he did with his kid: Valley Girl.
I am hard pressed to think of a meaningful Dead song except that shite he did about driving trains on cocaine......
There, fixed it for you.
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