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re: Better Guitarist: Zappa or Garcia?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:16 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:16 pm to 14&Counting
quote:What does meaningful mean exactly? Because Zappa had 3 songs that charted and the Dead had 6. Not exactly blowing Zappa away.
I am hard pressed to think of a meaningful Zappa song except that shite he did with his kid: Valley Girl.
And this has somehow deteriorated into a "yeah but like crowd size" argument that frankly means nothing as far as who is the better guitar player.
So more people went to see the Dead so Jerry > Frank? So I guess that means Justin Beiber plays a guitar better than either of them, right?
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Posted on 12/29/17 at 12:44 pm to danman6336
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So just out of curiousity I went through and clicked a random year both bands toured the US. 1981.
Both played Hartford Civic Center. Both played Uptown Theater in Chicago. Both played Kansas City Municipal. Both played Kiel Auditorium in St Louis, both played Stanley Theatre in Pittsburg, MacArthur Court in Eugene, The Summit in Houston, Aladdin Theatre in Vegas. etc etc etc. I could continue for a long while. That's just from 5 minutes of comparing tours.
And that's just one tour from one year. Both groups had been around for over a decade.
Don't make it sound like Zappa was playing bar rooms and the Dead were selling out stadiums. I know Deadheads like to think they're bigger and better than all the rest (I know what it's like as a Phish fan), but in reality they were playing to basically the same crowds, in the same places.
The Dead also played MSG in '81. Look, Frank never had the following the Dead did other than very, very early on. You're talking about them both playing the Hartford Civic Center (capacity 16,282) in '81. Even if they both sold it out, which they probably didn't, by 1988 Frank was playing Bushnell Memorial Hall in Hartford (capacity 2,800), while the Dead were playing stadiums. (Coincidentally I had a bootleg recording of that '88 show handy and had already looked up the numbers prior to my previous post.)
I get it. You don't like the Dead. It doesn't change the fact that Frank was never more popular than the Dead. That argument will get you nowhere.
Posted on 12/29/17 at 1:06 pm to danman6336
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What does meaningful mean exactly? Because Zappa had 3 songs that charted and the Dead had 6. Not exactly blowing Zappa away.
And this has somehow deteriorated into a "yeah but like crowd size" argument that frankly means nothing as far as who is the better guitar player.
So more people went to see the Dead so Jerry > Frank? So I guess that means Justin Beiber plays a guitar better than either of them, right?
You were the one who argued that Frank had as big of a following as the Dead. You said he was filling 20,000 seat arenas. I asked you when. You couldn't say. Now you're arguing radio hits? Three words: Touch of Grey. Boom. Argument over. Now you can say that radio hits don't mean anything. And you'd be right. But you're the one that brought it up in the first place.
Read the whole thread. I'm not saying either is better than the other. But hand Frank an acoustic guitar and ask him to finger pick a bluegrass tune. Ask him to play Dark Star where everyone in the band is improvising and no one is holding down the back beat. Hell, ask him to play guitar on every song in his concert and the answer will be a resounding "NO." (You realize that's not him on City of Tiny Lites, for example, right?)
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:31 pm to Treacherous Cretin
I love both, but if I had to pick one to listen to on a deserted island for eternity it would be Jerry.
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