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re: Wonder Woman surpasses the $400 million mark at the U.S. box office
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:35 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:35 pm to RollTide1987
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And the fact that you think that The Last Airbender is the worst movie ever made tells me that you haven't watched a lot of movies. I hated that film but I have seen far worse.
TLA is the worst movie I have ever seen in theaters. And I saw it before I watched the source material which made the movie 100000000x worse.
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:41 am to OMLandshark
Like why would Lex Luthor use his own prototype bullets to frame Superman of murder? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Speaking of plot holes or things that strained believability regarding bullets, did you react this way to the whole "recovering a lead bullet fired into cement brick and lifting latent fingerprints" piece in The Dark Knight? Because that was a load of shite. But you didn't; and you know why? It's a movie. For some reason, only Snyder's films get the cinematic colonoscopy treatment on here. Every Marvel movie is full of them but people rightly suspend their disbelief to be entertained.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:45 am to theunknownknight
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Nolan > Marvel > DC
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:34 am to RollTide1987
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My problem is with the people who seem to think those films were objectively bad and who think that anyone who has a contrary opinion is obviously a moron.
I think all but WW ARE objectively bad, but I don;t think those that like them are morons. I tend to think their desire to knight for them is silly, but tastes differ...so to each their own.
So long as we're saying things we dislike, I dislike the automatic suggestion that anyone who hates those movies does so because they are some Marvel hack or are just too stupid to get the "depth" of a Zach Snyder project.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:38 am to SoFla Tideroller
You've already lost the argument if you think you just made a valid counter to his statement. Suspending disbelief for a technology that doesn't exist in a movie is not even close to the same comparison of a character doing something stupid that doesn't make sense in the scheme of the plot.
Just an absolutely idiotic post by you buddy.
Just an absolutely idiotic post by you buddy.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:40 am to RollTide1987
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There's no such thing as an objectively bad film. That implies that everyone hates it
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:42 am to OMLandshark
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That's the single worst movie of all time given how great the source material is.
Dragon Ball Z would like to chime in here.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:50 am to Breesus
As does the early 90s captain america and fantastic four movies. I can name 15-20 comic movies that are far worse than BvS, easily.
When people absolutely hate a certain movie, their lack of perspective and selective memory shines oh so brightly.
On the subject, glad this film did so well and while I enjoyed it, I just don't get what all the fuss is about...other than finally having a solo female superhero movie. Pretty standard origin story with a thin plot and huge final battle that has been a large part of every dceu film so far.
When people absolutely hate a certain movie, their lack of perspective and selective memory shines oh so brightly.
On the subject, glad this film did so well and while I enjoyed it, I just don't get what all the fuss is about...other than finally having a solo female superhero movie. Pretty standard origin story with a thin plot and huge final battle that has been a large part of every dceu film so far.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:02 am to SoFla Tideroller
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For some reason, only Snyder's films get the cinematic colonoscopy treatment on here. Every Marvel movie is full of them but people rightly suspend their disbelief to be entertained
The reason Snyder's films get a colonoscopy is because he is dealing with ICONIC characters and some believe he is doing them a disservice (which is the same reason people have lauded WW, because it treated the character and the mythos correctly [or, at least, more respectfully]).
I am one of the people that would give BvS a "positive" review (i.e., better than 50%) so that I would fall into that 73%. However, I will also say that the movie was disappointing in that the "guts" of a really good, to possibly great, movie was there, but got buried in Snyder schlock.
Cavill is a great Kent/Supes, but other than hopping in the tub with Lois, he never looked like he was enjoying any part of his life in this movie. That alone would have changed the movie in a positive way.
Lex was terrible. Period. Eisenberg should have never been cast, his portrayal was ridiculous. That said, his motivations were fine (even if his methods were dumb).
Affleck was great. Gadot gave us a glimpse of what she would become in WW.
"Martha" actually makes sense, but the delivery was just....bad.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:21 am to OMLandshark
Yea, let's not rate aspects of the world based on merit; that would be crazy.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:31 am to udtiger
It was an interesting take on Lex, but just didn't really work with the actor. They were banking on it being a Ledger redefining take on the character and it just fell flat.
Guarantee that it were Bryan Cranston in the role, all those plot points would be overlooked just like all the silly plot points and plot holes in the dark knight were overlooked.
Guarantee that it were Bryan Cranston in the role, all those plot points would be overlooked just like all the silly plot points and plot holes in the dark knight were overlooked.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:35 am to ohiovol
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Nolan > Fox > Marvel > DC
Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:37 am to SoFla Tideroller
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For some reason, only Snyder's films get the cinematic colonoscopy treatment on here. Every Marvel movie is full of them but people rightly suspend their disbelief to be entertained.
It's just Marvel being Marvel, they don't take themselves too serious......or something like that
Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:38 am to smkspy
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It was an interesting take on Lex, but just didn't really work with the actor. They were banking on it being a Ledger redefining take on the character and it just feel flat.
Guarantee that it were Bryan Cranston in the role, all those plot points would be overlooked just like all the silly plot points and plot holes in the dark knight were overlooked.
They needed to go from scratch with Luthor. Even the fantastic Bryan Cranston couldn't make this work. It's clear Snyder just thought to himself "who is a evil billionaire?", watched the Social Network, and decided to blend Mark Zuckerberg with the Joker. As Breesus has pointed out, if you're going that route at least go with Elon Musk as your template.
Also it was an incredible miscalculation to have Lex crazy this early on in the series. He should have completely gotten away with everything and become President in the DCEU. That's the first thought that would go through my head when designing the DCEU is Luthor becoming President. This is especially a misstep in retrospect with Trump's election.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:41 am to RollTide1987
Dude, you could've just updated your other "Wonder Woman surpasses" thread instead of starting yet another one.
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:08 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Dude, you could've just updated your other "Wonder Woman surpasses" thread instead of starting yet another one.
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 11:09 am to RollTide1987
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There's no such thing as an objectively bad film. That implies that everyone hates it.
Do you know what "objective" means?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:12 pm to Freauxzen
I do. Which is why a film can't be objectively bad.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:17 pm to udtiger
Lex was terrible. Period. Eisenberg should have never been cast, his portrayal was ridiculous. That said, his motivations were fine (even if his methods were dumb).
"Martha" actually makes sense, but the delivery was just....bad.
Agree on both counts. Eisenberg always looked to me like he was attempting a "Robin Williams as Lex Luthor" riff. "Martha" was clunky but not the fatal blow to the movie others tried to make it. I think the biggest weakness to the movie (other than Eisenberg) was a couple dream sequences needed to be edited out.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 1:28 pm to RollTide1987
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I do. Which is why a film can't be objectively bad.
Ummm....
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There's no such thing as an objectively bad film. That implies that everyone hates it.
This is not the meaning of objective. Objectivity means "hating" or "liking" a film has nothing to do with it, and that a film/product/whatever is measured strictly by factual information.
Now, we can debate whether or not their are objective measurements to film (and I'm on the side that there are - bad writing is bad writing and is recognizable, same for acting, cinematography, scoring, makeup, etc.), and that makes a very bad film very much possible. We all hate Epic Movie? Yeah, ok, there's an understanding that that is a bad movie. This is a bigger discussion - who decides what is good, etc., but still.
And BvS - despite your like for the film, that has nothing to do with it - is poorly directed, poorly written, poorly acted, has a poor narrative, etc. That's why:
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hink those films were objectively bad
Is fair with BvS, SS and possibly SS. They are poor films by most comparisons, which, when it comes to film, is our only way to attempt a measurement. Liking something that is objectively bad is completely consistent, as is disliking something that is objectively good. Objectivity has nothing to do with preference.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 1:31 pm
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