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re: Witcher season 2 middle ground thread. Now full book/upcoming season spoilers

Posted on 12/22/21 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 2:40 pm to
TW3 is a long game, but one of the best RPGs I've ever played from a narrative point of view.

TW3 is the only reason most people in the world even know about the previous games, the books, and now this show. If you ever find the time, it's worth a play.

Unfortunately it does mean you then walk into the show with expectations of how characters should act. The game chronologically occurs after the books and therefore after the show, so when certain people die and you know they are in the game; it's jarring. Likewise when they don't act in character.

I think the best plan is to regard the show as an alternate timeline version of the witcher universe.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 2:48 pm to
They have given interviews that basically claim they know s2 is a bit shite and they done fricked up. Blood of Elves will probably be the most difficult of them all to adapt, in fairness. In comparison s1 is way more faithful to source despite having less material overall to work with. My problem with the reboot perspective, which initially though was fine even earlier in this thread, is the two above things coupled with what is actually in the books to come do make me think they will be much much more like the novels than this season, they’d be dumb as hell not to especially because most people are in position for the whole story to truly start now. And yes, while it may be good, cheating this season and not laying the proper foundation will almost certainly stop it from being excellent.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:05 pm to
Not a book reader but a W3 completionist (didn't spend much time on side quests). Loved the season. Triss is as y'all explain, flat.

My issue is mainly I just don't know what is ALL going on.

Is Ciri/Geralt just trying to survive and live?

Is Nilfgaard (Sp?) just trying to conquer lands?

Is the magic people just trying to not let Nilgaard get bigger?

Elves just trying to find a home?

I don't even remember who the king is with the owl dude.

I know the Wild Hunt is coming but is this just two different things in this world and Ehmyr just wants his daughter back for power to conquer or is it all entangled with The Wild Hunt?
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:14 pm to
I could answer your questions but some of it would require fairly massive spoilers for what’s to come so I’ll be a bit non descriptive because I don’t think that’s fair even though this is a spoiler thread.

1) More or less yes. Many different factions want Cirilla for one reason or anything. Things play out and change. Non spoilery way of explaining it is they form of bit of traveling party and go adding and losing members.

2) Nilfgaard is portrayed as religious zealots for some reason. It’s dumb and they dial it back in s2 I imagine it’ll almost absent in s3. There is a pretty detailed massive backstory of them and war with the north but basically Emhyr has 2 goals 1) Get Ciri 2) conquer continent

3) If you mean the brotherhood of sorcerers think of them as their own political faction with their own goals loosely allied with the kings of the northern realms for now and leave it there.

4) The elves will likely somehow be formed into the sco’e’tail (spelling I can’t remember) basically guerrilla warfare. They interact with our main party and various factions.

5) King Vezemir of Redania. Redania is important moving forward yet they didn’t feel to ever really let anyone know it’s name unlike Temeria in s1. His advisor is Dikstra (again spelling) one of the best characters in the books and games. The owl is Phillipa one of the most powerful sorceress in the whole world she serves Redania, for now, but works to her own desires. She’s a major character and should’ve been brought in way before s3 because she’s mainly in owl form this whole season/

6) id put this out of your mind as something you want to know for now but it’s to come. There’s way too much speculation about both what the frick they intend to do with the Wild Hunt and Ciris father
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 3:16 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:30 pm to
Thanks.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:46 pm to
No problem. You can find a lot of contextual information for the show both in terms of what is already in it and what’s to come in Witcher 3. If you go out and find it. There’s also pretty heavy spoilers for the show considering they take place in post show/book world with a retconned ending.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Blitzed
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:22 pm to
Ahh yooo..trying not to get spoilers but also not trying to start a whole new thread...


How was season 2 received?

Mixed I’m assuming. Book readers vs game players vs newbies?

Is that what we are looking at?

I’m sure I’ll be starting here soon.

I’m going to be really shocked if there some universal praise for this.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 6:23 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:33 pm to
It’s much better than season one. It’s a different show.

And episode one is great.


I hate almost everything Hollywood pushes out these days. But this is really okay.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 6:47 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:45 pm to
The praise is pretty strong tbh and I can definitely see why if your only experience beforehand is s1. In reality the foundation for this whole Sagas beginning is still being told. I’d say the actual main story doesn’t begin until time of contempt or book 2. It ratchets shite up to 11 with a snap of its fingers and flips the table. S2 is a more coherent overall narrative like a regular show than S1 is. The Witcher plays heavily into subversion and dancing with the chosen one trope in a way similar to GoT but in a story that is already finished and has an awesome resolution. It also deals with the trope of an OP main character and subversion of it. Moving forward Geralt is far from the most powerful person in this story. I can see how the seeds for both of those are being laid.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 7:02 pm
Posted by Blitzed
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:00 pm to
I mean I really enjoyed season one for what it’s worth. Witcher 3 is my only experience.

I just want to be entertained and think Henry sells it really well.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:05 pm to
Honestly I think the best way to watch this show is to play just the Witcher 3 first and not read any of the books or first two games. You likely didn’t understand fully a lot of dialogue in the game at the time and it will retroactively enhance it for you while also giving you the details to not be frustrated by the frequent lack of world building Witcher s1&2 refuse to provide.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 7:05 pm
Posted by Lynyrd
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

I mean I really enjoyed season one for what it’s worth. Witcher 3 is my only experience.

I didn't have that

quote:

I just want to be entertained and think Henry sells it really well.

It's good. I'm halfway through the last episode, watching now. You'll be entertained. I'm enjoying it with no exposure except season 1
Posted by USMCTIGER1970
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:08 pm to
I'll admit I didn't think we would get the big reveal until S3. But as a said earlier,even though there are some things that I do not appreciate about this season,I don't feel as if they have completely gone off the rails and ruined the show.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:14 pm to
They haven’t gone off the rails at all in a meta sense. They’re primed to jump straight into what is really the beginning of the main story. Think of it as the “main story” of GoT starting with Ned Starks death and the beginning of the war of 5 kings. GoT took 9 episodes vs the Witcher’s 16 to reach this point but establishes its world way better. That’s what frustrates me the most if you’re gonna take 16 episodes to kick shite off why not do it properly. I do think Witcher will be an inverse GoT. A weaker beginning but much stronger second half just by its nature. Fan interest will be similar. Waves upon waves of predictions on boards like this and YouTube videos will be made. Except they will actually be resolved.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:59 pm to
I knew nothing about this until the first season came out. The series is great. I thought season one was the strongest, but still enjoyed season two. Need to read the books.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:07 am to
I keep falling asleep when watching season 2. Does it get better ?

Oh, did trigger some here? Good. I liked season 1, but so far this has been mostly lame.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 8:37 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 11:06 am to
As much as I’ve criticized the second season in this thread it’s all relative. The Witcher is one of the best shows produced since GoT. If you don’t like dark fantasy why watch it and brag about how boring it is?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:49 pm to
If this is directed toward me, I can answer. Because it’s not the Witcher. It’s the Yennefer saga, featuring Geralt of Rivia.

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This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:51 pm to
It drags a bit when Ciri and Gerald are stuck in Kaer Mohren, but I think The first episode was strong and then it picked up towards the end

It wasn’t as episodic as Season one, which is based on a book fo short stories, and I get That there was less punch in every episode, but back end picked up.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:18 pm to
I just watch the show, I don’t come from having read the books or played any of the game. So when fans who are more invested mentioned that Geralt has been nerfed, as it were, I guess I tend to see it through their eyes.

I think some of the criticism is that the Witcher needs to be slaying more monsters and we should be getting less lecturing about Elvish oppression. Not that we should be getting all of one thing and none of the other, but there needs to be a better balance of action and storytelling.
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