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re: Why is Avatar not considered to be 'woke' when it's a critique of colonialism etc?

Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:17 pm to
My point is it’s a big spectacle and that makes money at theatres but it’s a bad movie once the effect is gone.

It’s has no staying power.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:20 pm to
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You mean the film that broke DVD/Blu Ray sales records and set off an industry-wide wave of 3D TV sales????
How many people do you know that have a 3D TV? Sure, they sold some merch based on the novelty of the tech. People are gullible. Go figure.
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
3034 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:22 pm to
Damn, dude. James Cameron is not going to hire you. Your need to come into these threads and act like you are the voice of Hollywood is weird. We get it, you do not believe in wokeness and everything in Hollywood is awesome.
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:24 pm to
You are like the Bizarro SouthEasternKaiju.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:37 pm to
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but it’s a bad movie once the effect is gone.

You are entitled to that opinion, audiences writ large disagree though is the point

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It’s has no staying power.


What does this even mean?

It's holds are historic. It literally just broke the all-time 3rd-week daily record yesterday. Is breaking the curse of the post New Years cliff dive every Hollywood movie takes.

The sequel is about to go down as an all-time film 13 years after the first. After we heard for 13 years it was a flash in the pan and no one cared.

DVD sales for the first Avatar broke worldwide records, disproving your hypothesis people only cared about the theatrical spectacle.

Avatar 1 was the top streaming film on Disney+ leading up to and following Avatar 2's release.

Avatar land in Disney World, that didn't open til a few years ago, single-handedly rose Animal Kingdom Ticket sales almost 30% year over year and was consistently the most busy part of the park and the rides some of the longest in Orlando.

Avatar 3 is finished and there is no reason to believe it wont also be huge, maybe even bigger if China and Russia get their shite together. And Avatar 4 and 5, which some footage was already shot for, are all but inevitable.


Every piece of collective evidence we have suggests audiences love these movies writ large. And on a global scale. But people, mostly too-online people like all of us, forget that reality and cultural impact arent dictated simply by Twitter memes and message-board adulation.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79455 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:49 pm to
It came out in De ember 2009 and the DVD came out in August 2010.

Within 2 years it was gone. Between 20015-2020 have you seen a kid in an avatar shirt? Playing with Avatar action figures? Have you talked to anyone about the movie?

It ain’t Star Wars. It’s jsut a big even film that’s amazing to look at, and fun enough to watch, but it shallow and derivative.
Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:52 pm to
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I didn't get any further because your first argument is so absurd I figured the rest was more of the same.


Well, if you didn't get further, I'm not sure why you bothered commenting. ?

Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:01 pm to
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It came out in De ember 2009 and the DVD came out in August 2010.

Within 2 years it was gone. Between 20015-2020 have you seen a kid in an avatar shirt? Playing with Avatar action figures? Have you talked to anyone about the movie?

It ain’t Star Wars. It’s jsut a big even film that’s amazing to look at, and fun enough to watch, but it shallow and derivative.


No, its bigger than modern Star Wars, objectively, by the only metrics we have which are audience satisfaction and box office gross per entry.

Kids wearing shirts within my limited scope of global experiences 6 years from the release of a film doesn't determine the collective enjoyment of a films story. What a bizarre angle to take, but one that reflects the lack of objective data to support your position so you are reaching for subjective non-falsifiable alternatives.

People like a story you hate, its not the end of the world. Like Kaiju/Landshark, maybe just accept reality instead of trying to endlessly find angles to deny it...
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 4:06 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79455 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:20 pm to
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No, its bigger than modern Star Wars, objectively, by the only metrics we have which are audience satisfaction and box office gross per entry.


“Modern Star Wars”

I was Born in 1990 before the prequels and over a decade after the first Star Wars came out and kids played with Star Wars actions figures and had Star Wars lunch boxes still.

Avatar didn’t have that staying power.

Maybe it will not that they’re pumping out sequels.

Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
30266 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:38 pm to
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i find this especially funny since she's in 3 different colors usually.

Blue, green, black, it doesn't matter, she would get it.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 5:22 pm to
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kids played with Star Wars actions figures and had Star Wars lunch boxes still.

Avatar didn’t have that staying power.


...with children.

But that is also separate from the discussion of whether people enjoyed the story or just the spectacle. Plenty of movies audiences love, including kids/teens, but don't have children running around with lunch boxes 5 years after release. Top Gun is a good example from just this year. Hugely popular with audiences of all ages but I don't think you are going to find an overwhelming influx of Rooster dolls everywhere.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20505 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 5:49 pm to
You lost be at the subject line when you said anti-colonialism is “woke”. That’s a really really dumb statement
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:17 pm to
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Why is Avatar not considered to be 'woke' when it's a critique of colonialism etc?


This movie's woke as a mofo.

I haven't seen the new one but the first movie was made by a self hating human for self hating humans.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:22 pm to
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You lost be at the subject line when you said anti-colonialism is “woke”. That’s a really really dumb statement




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This movie's woke as a mofo.




These posts back 2 back sum up the dynamic of this thread lol
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 6:46 pm to
It's obviously woke, but people only watch it because it's pretty. The story doesn't make sense so no one pays attention to it.
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
13064 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:21 pm to
I love that the first movie glossed over the fact that Jake basically raped that big red dragon thing in order to control it
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9379 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:14 pm to
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haven't seen the new one but the first movie was made by a self hating human for self hating humans.



Interestingly, part 3 will introduce a evil tribe of the Navi.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39285 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:47 pm to
Go woke go broke, IMO, isn’t about any movie with any theme or plot tied in any way to wokeism being doomed for failure, it’s more about extremely strained and ludicrous casting, writing and development due to obvious blind wokeism.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84759 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 12:18 am to
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The strong message of family in the 2nd movie is a plus, at least.


The message of family from Fast and Furious resonates more
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7314 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:38 am to
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It ain’t Star Wars. It’s jsut a big even film that’s amazing to look at, and fun enough to watch, but it shallow and derivative.


This is exactly how I felt about Avatar. I saw it in the theater because "everybody" was. I have a bad case of FOMO. I think I watched part of it once on TV. The movie was gorgeous. It was pretty and cool. But it was so boring. The story smacked you in the face with the "these folks are good and perfectly good and these folks are more horrible than anyone other than Nazis" so hard that it just drove me nuts. I found no nuance at all in characters. They just were not great characters. No dimension. I'd rather have great characters than great CGI. It was boring to me.
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