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re: Which was the more original concept: Toy Story or Monsters, Inc.?

Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by rebelrouser
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:44 pm to
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The Christmas Toy did the toys alive thing before Toy Story


And The Nutcracker Op. 71 before it in 1892. Plus the Nutcracker toy fought giant rats so +1.

Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:49 pm to
it’s the 5th lowest audience score on RT.

ahead of Cars 2 and 3
The Good Dinosaur and
Turning Red

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Nice animated adaption of Seven Samurai (which was a masterpiece).


It’s possibly a vague reference to 7 Samurai, but other than a guy going and finding people to protect a village it’s close. Most obvious difference betting there are 9 circus bugs.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:58 pm to
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it’s the 5th lowest audience score on RT.


Which means absolutely nothing.

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ahead of Cars 2 and 3
The Good Dinosaur and
Turning Red


I'm sorry, but A Bugs Life is better than Lightyear, Onward, Finding Dory and Luca without question. I could be convinced that Brave and Soul are better.

Going off metascore, it would be ahead of 11 others, which would put it midway.

Pixars tiers are pretty drastic imo. The bottom tier is a pretty significant drop off from the rest. Which is only a handful of movies though.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:11 pm to
Monsters University is better than Monsters Inc.

Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:59 pm to
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Cars is a dumb movie. The world has no logical center to it. It's a ridiculous concept.

Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:11 pm to
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CocomoLSU


You know it's one of those arguments I'll never give up on

Cars. Makes. No. Sense.

Even in the question of the OP - no one would ever make it part of that conversation. It doesn't feel like a "real world." It doesn't feel fleshed out. It's hackey and weird. Where the screams as power, idea, and building a power infrastructure on that... making laughter "more powerful" as resource, even if it's a weird concept - within the concept of the world it's fun and feels complete, or like there's a rationality in the MI world.

In Cars.... there are sentient creatures that resemble real cars, or are our real Cars made sentient later. But they retained all of their internal working mechanisms, didn't evolve. They still have doors with no passengers, yet Cow Cars evolved from... something? Or are the frankenstein result of cows and cars being evolutionarily merged? Like WTF.

They run on gas, but gas doesn't power doors, yet they can control their doors? They have babies?

It's just dumb.

ETA: I know the franchise prints money, or at least did, and that's fine. but it's the definition of completely inane world building. There is no consistency, or reason, behind the world. No identifiable central thesis. It's just "Make cars talk and move." It didn't have the attention of a Toy Story that built big emotions and ideas - like the idea of giving up a Toy or how toys viewed kids, etc. - into the thread of the film and world.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:12 pm to
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I'm sorry, but A Bugs Life is better than Lightyear, Onward, Finding Dory and Luca without question.


I disagree on all 4. But i think Finding Dory clears it by a wide margin, as does Luca and Onward.

i’ve seen most Pixar movies, and there are like 2 I don't enjoy.

A Bug’s life is one of them. The good Dinosaur is the other.

But i haven’t seen Soul or the Cars Sequels.

A Bug’s Life forgettable characters, forgettable plot, forgettable animation.

Luca is at least cute. I dont even think A Bug’s Life is cute.
Posted by xBirdx
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:26 pm to
Toy Story for sure

Hits home with a lot of people… it’s not that they just come alive… it’s almost a parallel to what Andy- or any kid- feels when he’s playing with them.

Kids imagination’s are so vivid…. When the toys are alive is like the same way Andy sees them when he is playing with them.
Posted by Xignals
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:28 pm to
My Daughter and I still quote a line from that movie, "it's a rock".

And Wall·E is #1.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:50 pm to
Another thing I find very impressive about Monsters Inc is that the doors they go in and out of are the perfect representation of the 4th dimension.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 3:03 pm to
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In Cars.... there are sentient creatures that resemble real cars, or are our real Cars made sentient later. But they retained all of their internal working mechanisms, didn't evolve. They still have doors with no passengers, yet Cow Cars evolved from... something? Or are the frankenstein result of cows and cars being evolutionarily merged? Like WTF.

They run on gas, but gas doesn't power doors, yet they can control their doors? They have babies?

It's just dumb.

ETA: I know the franchise prints money, or at least did, and that's fine. but it's the definition of completely inane world building. There is no consistency, or reason, behind the world. No identifiable central thesis. It's just "Make cars talk and move." It didn't have the attention of a Toy Story that built big emotions and ideas - like the idea of giving up a Toy or how toys viewed kids, etc. - into the thread of the film and world.

You just overthink it to a ridiculous level. IMO it quite literally is just:
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"Make cars talk and move."

That's what it is...that's it. With little jokes thrown in here and there due to it being a ridiculous premise of a world (like the tramp stamp tattoo joke or the babies). You just overthink it for some reason.

Yet you aren't complaining about other ridiculous Pixar things like Woody being out of breath despite being a toy with no workable lungs.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 3:12 pm to
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Yet you aren't complaining about other ridiculous Pixar things like Woody being out of breath despite being a toy with no workable lungs.



Right- if Buzz thinks he's on a real space mission, and the plastic soldiers think they are in a real war, then shouldn't the dinosaur be trying to eat everyone else? wHaT uNiVeRsE iS tHiS???
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 3:14 pm to
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Cars sucks. And the concept was stupid. And the world makes no sense whatsoever. It's completely ridiculous and insane next to the other two.
Definitely one of the weakest Pixar entries, and Cars 2 might be the worst movie Pixar has made. To an adult, the world is ridiculous especially in some of the offshoots (like car dinosaurs).

Kids freaking love it though, which is why it’s the biggest Pixar franchise. As a dad to a 2yo boy, I have to watched a lot of Cars/Planes recently.

There is a lot of cleverness with some of the details and real world references though, I will admit.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 3:43 pm to
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You just overthink it to a ridiculous level.


I've never disagree with this:

That doesn't change the fact that it's ridiculous.

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Yet you aren't complaining about other ridiculous Pixar things like Woody being out of breath despite being a toy with no workable lungs.


Solid point, not a comparison though. Doesn't his string have to be pulled again too? Toy Story has the elegance of feeling more rich, more complete. ANd while this small detail could be a problem, it's one of a few. Unless we want to overanalyze Toy Story.

There are dozens of examples in cars. The entire world is a filmsy premise, where a toy running out of air even if it doesn't breathe - maybe he's just imitating what he sees humans do. Maybe his wood toy joints get tired. Maybe moving is just hard.

There's no reason a car made out of metal without automatic hinges built, but it be organic and it open its doors. None.

And Cow Cars. Look at them again and realize the implications... Cow Cars.
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