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When, IF, the books are finished, I think we are going to see the real problem with GOT
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:49 am
it will be that D&D, being average to bad writers, tried to shoehorn GRRM’s outline/ending into the story when even HE is struggling to connect the dots.
I’m actually still enjoying GOT tbh, but I will predict that D&D’s biggest failure was not going rogue and writing a more satisfying, easier, trope ending that did the character arcs justice (aside from a few they did well).
They were forced, imo, into a lose/lose situation. How do you arrive at GRRM’s ending even even he can’t?
I’m actually still enjoying GOT tbh, but I will predict that D&D’s biggest failure was not going rogue and writing a more satisfying, easier, trope ending that did the character arcs justice (aside from a few they did well).
They were forced, imo, into a lose/lose situation. How do you arrive at GRRM’s ending even even he can’t?
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 8:51 am
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:59 am to theunknownknight
I totally agree. That's why we are getting the wikipedia version of the story. They don't do themselves any favors in the "inside the episode" stuff though.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:01 am to Rhames
They “kinda forgot” to not say anything dumb.
Most of their problems come from their interviews. I’d have more respect for them if they said - GRRM wrote a very complex story and we have having a hell of a time trying to end it like he wants. Therefore, we changed the end entirely. If you want his ending - read the books.
The problem is all the spinoffs will be based on GRRM’s notes so they kinda have to be in agreement here.
Most of their problems come from their interviews. I’d have more respect for them if they said - GRRM wrote a very complex story and we have having a hell of a time trying to end it like he wants. Therefore, we changed the end entirely. If you want his ending - read the books.
The problem is all the spinoffs will be based on GRRM’s notes so they kinda have to be in agreement here.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:11 am to theunknownknight
I just Wonder how much they know and how much GRRM knows and when he told them.
I think they did a decent enough job setting up Dany’s turn but it was rushed. But if he told them that after Season 6 it’s a lot to do in 13 episodes.
I think they did a decent enough job setting up Dany’s turn but it was rushed. But if he told them that after Season 6 it’s a lot to do in 13 episodes.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:14 am to SammyTiger
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I just Wonder how much they know and how much GRRM knows and when he told them.
Think about it. They have to be using GRRM’s outline.
Aside from the fact GRRM stated he would hand over his outlines years ago once the books ended...
...it’s because he is writing the material related to the 2/3 spinoff series already and the stories have to be coherent.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:19 am to Rhames
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That's why we are getting the wikipedia version of the story.
Ah yes, I too listen to The Watch.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:22 am to SammyTiger
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But if he told them that after Season 6 it’s a lot to do in 13 episodes.
HBO wanted 10 episode seasons, and D&D said that they wanted to do it in 7 & 6 episode seasons. Hell, I would bet that HBO would've been thrilled had GOT gone 10 seasons (even though keeping the actors would've probably been tough). But D&D wanted to rush the crap out of it.
D&D had already cut a lot of the non-essential story lines out of the show, so I don't see them as having near as hard of a time as GRRM is having to finish the thing up in a way that would at least be somewhat satisfying. They could've started having Dany slowly having a build up to the Mad Queen starting in the last few episodes of Season 7 if it was a 10 season episode, and then have it slowly progress through season 8. They also could've stretched out the White Walkers march below the Wall over more episodes, showing the "Long Night" lasting more than 1 episode. And how hard would've have been to pick some of the already existing fan theories, and go with those for Cersei's end?
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:35 am to theunknownknight
Dave and Dan were always going to be the fall guys when it became apparent the books weren't going to be finished. No matter how strict they were to what George gave them, a certain segment was going to be unhappy and fall back to the "George won't do that in the book." When in fact, they have no idea what George will do in the book. Dan and Dave have worked hand in hand with George for over a decade, it's absurd to think they just don't get it, but random viewer or book reader does.
Are they as good a writer as George, hell no. But they also don't get 6 or 7 years to write each season. The same people who have gleefully repeated "if you think this story has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention" are now complaining because the story isn't ending the way they think makes the most logical sense. I have good news for them, they still have hopes for the books.
Best thing to do is just enjoy the shows as much as possible, and go on about your life.
Are they as good a writer as George, hell no. But they also don't get 6 or 7 years to write each season. The same people who have gleefully repeated "if you think this story has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention" are now complaining because the story isn't ending the way they think makes the most logical sense. I have good news for them, they still have hopes for the books.
Best thing to do is just enjoy the shows as much as possible, and go on about your life.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:38 am to Rhames
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the wikipedia version of the story
i like this
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They don't do themselves any favors in the "inside the episode" stuff though.
exactly
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:45 am to theunknownknight
I think he's more than capable of pulling it off in 2000-2500 pages or so.
And no "if" about it. I'll bet they announce the release within a year of the finale.
And no "if" about it. I'll bet they announce the release within a year of the finale.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 9:51 am to KingSlayer
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When in fact, they have no idea what George will do in the book.
But they do know, a lot and they change it. I have no problem with the changes, but don't play like they have no idea what to do.
From the books already published you already know
-that Cersi will be choked to death by one of her brothers and will die prior to giving birth.
-Sansa will kill the Giant in Winterfell not the little Mormont girl
-Azor Ahai
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:01 am to Bamatab
I have a feeling if ATT had already bought the company, it would have told D&D ten episodes. About the only thing I trust aTT to do right.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:19 am to blueboy
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And no "if" about it. I'll bet they announce the release within a year of the finale.
He already said WOW isn’t finished and ADOS hasn’t been started. You think he’s gonna get all that done in a year?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:41 am to theunknownknight
I agree as well.
You have to think when they took the show it was widely considered both book 6 and 7 would be out by 2015. They took a gamble in a lose-lose situation just assuming GRRM would finish at the very least by 2019.
The worse case scenario happened and the fat man couldn't even put out book 6 in 7 years time so they had to scramble to finish the show.
I personally think they have done a great job giving their circumstance. It's not perfect but like you, uk, I'm enjoying it, and that was a huge looming task ahead of them that they did a damn goob job managing IMO
You have to think when they took the show it was widely considered both book 6 and 7 would be out by 2015. They took a gamble in a lose-lose situation just assuming GRRM would finish at the very least by 2019.
The worse case scenario happened and the fat man couldn't even put out book 6 in 7 years time so they had to scramble to finish the show.
I personally think they have done a great job giving their circumstance. It's not perfect but like you, uk, I'm enjoying it, and that was a huge looming task ahead of them that they did a damn goob job managing IMO
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:42 am to Rhames
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totally agree. That's why we are getting the wikipedia version of the story. They don't do themselves any favors in the "inside the episode" stuff though.
Those after episode things raise more questions for me this season.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:10 am to KingSlayer
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Dave and Dan were always going to be the fall guys when it became apparent the books weren't going to be finished. No matter how strict they were to what George gave them, a certain segment was going to be unhappy and fall back to the "George won't do that in the book." When in fact, they have no idea what George will do in the book. Dan and Dave have worked hand in hand with George for over a decade, it's absurd to think they just don't get it, but random viewer or book reader does.
Actually, all indications are that there has been a fallout between D&D and George, and his involvement is now minimal at best. The last meeting between the parties seems to have been years ago now. It is highly likely that D&D are creating completely original material to end the series with.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:21 am to theunknownknight
I honestly think Martin could take us to the exact same place the show went and we would all be fine with it.
It's not where we ended up, it's how we got there.
It's not where we ended up, it's how we got there.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:31 am to Green Chili Tiger
The ironic thing is that GRRM has always has a very public hateful hard-on for the ending of LOST.
If this last episode is as bad as the spoiler readers are saying, this will top the ending of LOST.
On a personal note, a book reader here, but by not reading the spoilers, I am now a HODOR...
If this last episode is as bad as the spoiler readers are saying, this will top the ending of LOST.
On a personal note, a book reader here, but by not reading the spoilers, I am now a HODOR...
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:33 am to theunknownknight
I was about to start watching this show but hearing about this clusterfrick has made me reconsider
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am to ScottFowler
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If this last episode is as bad as the spoiler readers are saying, this will top the ending of LOST.
I hate LOST. The spoilers I read were on that level.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am
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