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What really hurts Infinity War as a film
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:18 pm
First off: I enjoyed Infinity War. It was great popcorn entertainment and good for a Blu Ray purchase. But the film has its flaws and one of the biggest is the fact that it isn't a self-contained story. This has been becoming a bigger and bigger problem as the MCU has gone on. One thing I like about the Bond movies is that I can introduce someone to Bond with just about any film in the franchise. I can sit down with someone who has never seen a single Bond film before, pull up The Spy Who Loved Me, and not have to worry about them being lost with the story or the characters.
I know I'm going to get flack for bringing this up but the same thing applies to Nolan's "Dark Knight" trilogy. Plug in The Dark Knight or, to a lesser extent, The Dark Knight Rises and you don't need to worry that your friend has never seen Batman Begins. While all three films are inter-related, they are also all self-contained. You don't really need to see Batman Begins or The Dark Knight to follow the story of The Dark Knight Rises.
But with Avengers: Infinity War, it's essential to have seen most of the films in the MCU to really understand what the hell is going on in the movie. While I realize this is by design, and while I realize many don't particularly care Disney did it this way, I feel like it hurts the movie going experience. Films can be interconnected to one another but still be self-contained.
I have personally seen every film in the MCU but there were still some things that I didn't understand due to a faulty memory. For one, I had completely forgotten that Thanos's ship had intercepted the Asgardians at the end of Thor: Ragnarok. So I was a bit confused as to what was going on at the beginning of the film. That's just one example off the top of my head but there were others within the film that forced me to strain my memory and think back to past MCU films for clarification.
Anyway...that's just a personal opinion. I still enjoyed the movie so please keep your downvotes to a minimum.
I know I'm going to get flack for bringing this up but the same thing applies to Nolan's "Dark Knight" trilogy. Plug in The Dark Knight or, to a lesser extent, The Dark Knight Rises and you don't need to worry that your friend has never seen Batman Begins. While all three films are inter-related, they are also all self-contained. You don't really need to see Batman Begins or The Dark Knight to follow the story of The Dark Knight Rises.
But with Avengers: Infinity War, it's essential to have seen most of the films in the MCU to really understand what the hell is going on in the movie. While I realize this is by design, and while I realize many don't particularly care Disney did it this way, I feel like it hurts the movie going experience. Films can be interconnected to one another but still be self-contained.
I have personally seen every film in the MCU but there were still some things that I didn't understand due to a faulty memory. For one, I had completely forgotten that Thanos's ship had intercepted the Asgardians at the end of Thor: Ragnarok. So I was a bit confused as to what was going on at the beginning of the film. That's just one example off the top of my head but there were others within the film that forced me to strain my memory and think back to past MCU films for clarification.
Anyway...that's just a personal opinion. I still enjoyed the movie so please keep your downvotes to a minimum.
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:20 pm to RollTide1987
I actually enjoy it more because of that. I appreciate the 10 year build up for a film this epic.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:21 pm to RollTide1987
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But the film has its flaws and one of the biggest is the fact that it isn't a self-contained story.
I’m done reading here. Marvel has been promising this movie for 10 years, and you attack the movie on its very promised concept. Yes it is different, but it’s like attacking Empire for being dark.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:35 pm to RollTide1987
how predictable This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:37 pm to RollTide1987
quote:This is the case with many movies, though. Can you watch Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi without having seen the prior movies? What about Back to the Future 2 and 3? Aliens and Alien 3? Terminator 2? Blade Runner 2049?
it isn't a self-contained story.
The answer is "yes" but you get much more out of them if you've seen the previous entries. Infinity War immediately makes it clear who the good guys are, who the bad guys are, and what their conflict is over. That's really all you need to follow the basic story. If you want more depth, well yeah, you have to watch some of the previous movies.
Marvel is basically making Game of Thrones (Stones?) where each "episode" has a budget of 100 - 300 million and you can go see it in the theater if you like. Infinity War is like a season ending cliff-hanger. I'm not going to hold that against it, but some prior "work" is required on the viewer if they want the full benefit.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:44 pm to RollTide1987
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But the film has its flaws and one of the biggest is the fact that it isn't a self-contained story.
That's the entire god damned point of the film. It's a 10 year arc finally coming to its climax
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:44 pm to RollTide1987
Not trying to be a jerk here, but you may have missed the point of IW.
This has been a decade long buildup. Your comment is akin to watching to final 2 eps of Game of Thrones and saying, "Why should I care about all these people".
As far as I know, there's never been a 10 year cinematic progression like this. The fact that is was pulled off at all is amazing, much less that it was pulled off pretty damn well.
Not every movie has to be self contained. Does "return of the king" (peter jackson) hold up if you didn't see the the first two movies ?
No worries though, and happy IWing
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:35 pm to RollTide1987
For one thing, the buildup is part of what makes Infinity War so great. Thor's massive power-base? Already know it. Tony Stark's incredible assortment of tech goodies? Ditto.
If you tried to cover everything you needed to know via exposition or by showing brief highlights, this would be an incredible mess. You'd have to show a much, MUCH lesser scale of story.
Even Justice League struggled with that, and it did have the benefit of 4 films prior (MoS, BvS, SS, WW). Notice how awkward it was for Bruce Wayne to tell the Steve Trevor "you need to step up" bit to Diana? IW would be FULL of such moments.
For another thing, you said
If you tried to cover everything you needed to know via exposition or by showing brief highlights, this would be an incredible mess. You'd have to show a much, MUCH lesser scale of story.
Even Justice League struggled with that, and it did have the benefit of 4 films prior (MoS, BvS, SS, WW). Notice how awkward it was for Bruce Wayne to tell the Steve Trevor "you need to step up" bit to Diana? IW would be FULL of such moments.
For another thing, you said
quote:Um, yes you do. Otherwise, it's just a "I used to be Batman" tale, and not particularly good.
You don't really need to see Batman Begins or The Dark Knight to follow the story of The Dark Knight Rises.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:55 pm to RollTide1987
quote:you should and deserve all the flack for bringing this up.
I know I'm going to get flack for bringing this up but the same thing applies to Nolan's "Dark Knight" trilogy. Plug in The Dark Knight or, to a lesser extent, The Dark Knight Rises and you don't need to worry that your friend has never seen Batman Begins. While all three films are inter-related, they are also all self-contained. You don't really need to see Batman Begins or The Dark Knight to follow the story of The Dark Knight Rises.
don't you know the difference between a trilogy and a universe of movies?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 12:52 am to AustinDawg
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Not trying to be a jerk here, but you may have missed the point of IW.
The point of Infinity War was to set up for Infinity War 2. It's pretty self-evident, don't you think?
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This has been a decade long buildup. Your comment is akin to watching to final 2 eps of Game of Thrones and saying, "Why should I care about all these people".
That's a false equivalence. There's a big difference between a serialized TV show and film. Or at least there should be.
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Not every movie has to be self contained. Does "return of the king" (peter jackson) hold up if you didn't see the the first two movies?
Therein lies what I am talking about. You are comparing a trilogy of films (based on a novel) with an interconnected cinematic universe that contains 20 films and climbing. If I want to show my girlfriend Return of the King, all I have to do is pop in the first two films over the course of one or two days before hitting her with the final film in the trilogy on day two or three. But if I want to take her to see Infinity War and she's never seen a single film in the MCU, I've pretty much got to show her every single move in the MCU leading up to Infinity War because they are all reliant on one another to get us to the events of Infinity War.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 1:25 am to RollTide1987
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Anyway...that's just a personal opinion. I still enjoyed the movie so please keep your downvotes to a minimum.
So you made a whole thread about finally seeing it, actually gave it props...or fake props, then made another thread about criticizing it....
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I have personally seen every film in the MCU but there were still some things that I didn't understand due to a faulty memory. For one, I had completely forgotten that Thanos's ship had intercepted the Asgardians at the end of Thor: Ragnarok. So I was a bit confused as to what was going on at the beginning of the film. That's just one example off the top of my head but there were others within the film that forced me to strain my memory and think back to past MCU films for clarification.
So I'm assuming you never watch more than 1 season of a TV show? I mean, if you wait 6 months until the next season, you'll probably forget what happens right? Or never read comic books, where writers could just leave a story behind, or a plotline undeveloped until months later? When they use "See Daredevil #144" tags?
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But with Avengers: Infinity War, it's essential to have seen most of the films in the MCU to really understand what the hell is going on in the movie. While I realize this is by design, and while I realize many don't particularly care Disney did it this way, I feel like it hurts the movie going experience. Films can be interconnected to one another but still be self-contained.
Why not? Does a film, or TV show have to be one way? Some TV shows are episodic, some are serial. Some, like Black Mirror, have little connection at all. It's art. Can we say that The MCU is not a typical movie going experience? Sure. Does that hurt it? No.
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I know I'm going to get flack for bringing this up but the same thing applies to Nolan's "Dark Knight" trilogy. Plug in The Dark Knight or, to a lesser extent, The Dark Knight Rises and you don't need to worry that your friend has never seen Batman Begins. While all three films are inter-related, they are also all self-contained. You don't really need to see Batman Begins or The Dark Knight to follow the story of The Dark Knight Rises.
Actually, you kind of do. You don't get a complete story out of TDKR, particularly because you don't see his full arc as a character. And the maybe good story line of a "Broken down Bruce" makes no sense without the prior two films, where it's clear he's often putting himself at serious risk.
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One thing I like about the Bond movies is that I can introduce someone to Bond with just about any film in the franchise. I can sit down with someone who has never seen a single Bond film before, pull up The Spy Who Loved Me, and not have to worry about them being lost with the story or the characters.
Because they are a different kind of film experience. They are built for non-emotional attachment to Bond (much like his non-emotional view of women. Bond to viewer is like Women to Bond. Think about it. You get your fix, your danger, then you move on, even to a completely different Bond. Bond films are a romp in the sack, essentially.)
In short, there doesn't have to be one type of film experience.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 1:28 am
Posted on 7/6/18 at 1:48 am to DieDaily
Agreed. I like that Marvel had the guts to risk big in doing it this way. While I get what OP is saying, I just like the approach Marvel took. Adds a whole lot of depth to each movie along the way, not just IW.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 1:49 am to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Didn't read.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:06 am to RollTide1987
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I had completely forgotten that Thanos's ship had intercepted the Asgardians at the end of Thor: Ragnarok. So I was a bit confused as to what was going on at the beginning of the film. That's just one example off the top of my head but there were others within the film that forced me to strain my memory and think back to past MCU films for clarification.
I hope you didn’t hurt your brain with all that straining.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 3:14 am to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
You're lucky you're still among us.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 6:13 am to RollTide1987
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What really hurts Infinity War as a film
That it’s the 2496547766443rd superhero movie in the last 10 years.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:27 am to RollTide1987
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se. But the film has its flaws and one of the biggest is the fact that it isn't a self-contained story.
I went with a big group of friends who don't follow these films. They were definitely lost
They still really enjoyed it though. They were a bit dissapointed when I told them all these characters are coming back for sequels.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:43 am to RollTide1987
So because you couldn’t find anything wrong with the movie itself, and you just had to bitch about something, you bitch about the MCU approach itself? That’s pretty pathetic. Your issue has absolutely zero to do with the movie. You could have made this thread whether you had seen it or not. Troll.
That’s pretty pathetic. Your issue has absolutely zero to do with the movie. You could have made this thread whether you had seen it or not. Troll. Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:11 am to RollTide1987
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The point of Infinity War was to set up for Infinity War 2. It's pretty self-evident, don't you think?
No. The original concept was to be Part 1 of a 2 Part movie, but the Russo's made it clear that they are two separate movies. This has been known for a few years now. LINK
I'd argue that the film does a good job of standing alone as a Thanos film.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:26 am to RollTide1987
The M/TV board has a ton of great posters and you are not among them. And that’s simply because you’re so predictable.
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