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re: What is the biggest movie plot hole you have ever seen?
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:41 am to WeeBeaux
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:41 am to WeeBeaux
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But, he was already a famous musician in the original reality.
How do we know that? We never heard Chuck's music in the original 1985. Maybe Marty wrote Johnny B Good in the original timeline, goes to 1955, plays it and Chuck Berry steals it?
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:42 am to Patrick_Bateman
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Worse than that is how guys in movies never put a bullet in the chamber until they're face-to-face with the bad guy. The sound of them cocking/loading the gun may be a great sound effect for all the people who've never shot a gun, but for me it's just annoying and unrealistic. Particularly with pump shotguns. I mean, if you don't have a shell in the chamber until you start the gunfight, you only get 3 shots instead of 4 (or 2 shots instead of 3, whatever).
It annoys me too, but I've always thought of it like this: the person having the gun pointed at them doesn't know the gun has an empty chamber. The chambering then leaves no doubt as to what's going to happen next. Also, what about double action pistols? Can fire with or without cocking the hammer.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:48 am to Pectus
Maybe Indys hat pops off as he begins his lunge just out of the frame.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:54 am to Cold Pizza
Maybe the fact that chuck was already a success in original 1985 meant that Marty already succeeded in getting his parents to fall in love. Also, if they weren't alternate realities, explain Biffs change in profession (not to mention George's) from beginning to end.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:03 am to Sophandros
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Some posters are saying plot hole when they really mean a poorly designed deus ex machina
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And some people are calling poor editing (for example) a plot hole...
Agreed.
Also, the whole Signs arguments have always bothered me. First of all, like someone said, their fear/weakness for water is mentioned in the movie. Secondly, just because Earth is 70% water doesn't mean there isn't a shite frickING TON of land everywhere. Also, someone mentions rain...well, we as humans don't simply stand in the rain and get soaked. We have protection (like buildings). The aliens could easily invade Earth and avoid water.
And the fact that there is a bunch of glasses of water laying around, and Joaquin Phoenix is a baseball player ("Swing away.."), his son stopping breathing briefly when the alien sprays him with poison, etc. is all there to show how things can work out when you have faith. The whole point of Signs wasn't about aliens...it was about Mel Gibson's faith being tested with the death of his wife and he and his family attempting to rebuild that faith. Everything in the movie comes around full-circle in the end, and that's on purpose. It's not a plot hole that there are glasses of water all over the place...it's the whole point.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:06 am to Blackbeard
The falling van in Inception bothered the shite out of me. They basically built the concept that them floating in reality (I'm going to call it level 0) would result in zero gravity in the first dream "level 1." However, it doesn't translate to the next level. 
The elaborate physics correlation they built was inherently flawed for their story.
The elaborate physics correlation they built was inherently flawed for their story.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:06 am to CocomoLSU
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Also, the whole Signs arguments have always bothered me. First of all, like someone said, their fear/weakness for water is mentioned in the movie. Secondly, just because Earth is 70% water doesn't mean there isn't a shite frickING TON of land everywhere. Also, someone mentions rain...well, we as humans don't simply stand in the rain and get soaked. We have protection (like buildings). The aliens could easily invade Earth and avoid water.
The thing that gets to me though is not that our planet is composed of it, more due to the fact that in humid places there's no way they'd be able to tolerate it and the fact that almost all our food is at least 70% water. Seems like it would be going to cyanide planet. Granted its not a plot hole, just a gap in logic.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:07 am to Iona Fan Man
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Star Wars: Leia sends OB1 to Alderan, when the rebel base was actually on Dantooine. Why would she send him to her home planet, where he would just have to then go to dantooine to give the plans over to the rebel commanders?
:sigh:
Leia sent Obiwan to Alderan to deliver the plans to her father. Dantooine was an old base she offered up to Tarkin and Vader so they wouldn't blow up her home planet. The real rebel base was on Yavin IV.
If you think about it, ObiWan gets caught by Vader onboard the Death Star, so he technically did deliver the plans to Leia's father.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:13 am to WeeBeaux
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Marty goes back to 1955, and interacts with people thus creating an alternate universe. Doc Brown contends that each realities exist - their events seperate from each other, yet equally influential on the present.
Now, when he is at the enchantment under the sea dance and "Marvin Berry" calls his cousin Chuck so he can hear that new sound, which would ultimately lead to him becoming a pioneering musician - this, to me, is a plot hole.
So he heard Marty playing to get his sound in this "alternate reality," thus becoming a famous musician. But, he was already a famous musician in the original reality. So how was his sound discovered in that reality? - without Marty being there to play for him?
Its a paradox.
For me, thats not the biggest plot hole.
At the end of BTF Part II, Lightning strikes the Delorian with Doc in it and sends him back to 1885. While there, he buries the Delorian in an abandoned mine. Marty, in 1955, finds the Delorian and with the help of 1955 Doc, repairs the time circuits and travels back to 1885 to rescue future Doc where he immediately rips the fuel line causing all the gas to spill out of the car. They then spend the next few days trying to find an alternate fuel source. Now, it is possible that Doc drained the fuel out of the Delorian hidden in the mine, but why did neither of them ask the following question: "Hey, is there any gas left in the Delorian buried in the mine?"
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:18 am to elprez00
Looks like I posted one of the few that we all agree on 
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:19 am to elprez00
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"Hey, is there any gas left in the Delorian buried in the mine?"
That gas would have been well past spoiled
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:20 am to CaptainsWafer
They were alternate realities (remember Doc's explanation on the chalkboard?), however I agree that the "new reality" is changing the results of the present. My point is, Chuck Berry was already a famous musician. He would have been regardless of whether or not he heard Marty playing at the dance. Why was it necessary for him to hear Marty playing, when in fact in the original 1955 he didn't hear him playing, yet still managed to become a famous musician. The two realities had different events, yet had the same end result.
And, in the world if this movie, Chuck Berry does exist in the original reality (1985), otherwise how would Marty even know that song?
And, in the world if this movie, Chuck Berry does exist in the original reality (1985), otherwise how would Marty even know that song?
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:27 am to WeeBeaux
Song wasn't released until 1958, maybe it was released earlier since Marvin called in 1955. Either way, Chuck Berry was writing the song as it was in the original 1985, ie the one we lived in.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:40 am to CocomoLSU
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And the fact that there is a bunch of glasses of water laying around, and Joaquin Phoenix is a baseball player ("Swing away.."), his son stopping breathing briefly when the alien sprays him with poison, etc. is all there to show how things can work out when you have faith. The whole point of Signs wasn't about aliens...it was about Mel Gibson's faith being tested with the death of his wife and he and his family attempting to rebuild that faith. Everything in the movie comes around full-circle in the end, and that's on purpose. It's not a plot hole that there are glasses of water all over the place...it's the whole point.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:40 am to CaptainsWafer
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Either way, Chuck Berry was writing the song as it was in the original 1985, ie the one we lived in.
This is exactly my argument, if both realities produced the same end result, THEN WHAT WAS THE POINT OF SHOWING THAT SCENE?!?! It didn't change anything in the present! He was always going to be a famous musician, even if the alternate reality's events changed his path slightly.
Also, that's a big assumption to make that "we'll maybe Marty's actions just led home to writing the song earlier."
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:49 am to Jester
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That gas would have been well past spoiled
Not in 1885. It would've been a week old.
Remember, there are two Delorians present in 1885 when Marty goes back to get Doc.
One buried in the Mine, One with Whitewalls in Docs shop.
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:50 am to WeeBeaux
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And, in the world if this movie, Chuck Berry does exist in the original reality (1985), otherwise how would Marty even know that song?
It could have been written by anyone so long as Marty heard it.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:54 am to Breesus
quote:That's not really a plot hole, just bad writing. There otheres examples of that in TDK.
Batman jumps out the window to save maggie gillenahall(thats who she played. she was not Rachael Dawes) and leaves the joker in a room full of innocent victims. Nothing ever happens to those people and apparently the joker just leaves peacefully and batman never goes after him.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:58 am to DelU249
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John Blake somehow knows Selina Kyle kidnapped the congressman and for some reason was looking for her even though, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to do with shite. Also, he seems to just assume
That entire movie was a plot hole
Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:01 am to theunknownknight
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John Blake somehow knows Selina Kyle kidnapped the congressman and for some reason was looking for her even though, as far as he is concerned, has nothing to do with shite. Also, he seems to just assume
This kind of bothered me, too, but Blake did run into Selina at the bar as she was making her escape.
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