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Vanity Fair: When Fandoms Stop Playing Nice
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 8:54 pm
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Pop culture used to unite people. Now Star Wars, DC, and Marvel have all been plagued by vicious behavior. Can we fix this?
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More than two decades later, during which time fan culture has become bigger, stronger, and far more contentious, those words seem prophetic, not just for Star Wars but for other franchises with epic fandoms such as DC, Marvel, and Harry Potter. Discord and division have become a problem for nearly every major studio. Social media is partly, if not entirely, to blame. It took a notoriously dark turn over the past half dozen years, and a new breed of fans evolved known as stans, a more relentless, excessive kind of admirer. Now every franchise deals with a subset of “fans” who see their devotion as a license to make threats, use racist and sexist language, and engage in Twitter dogpiles.
Sometimes the negativity is fomented by influencers and media figures who want clout or clicks. But some admirers can also go radioactive if they don’t like the direction a story goes, or if an onscreen romance they’re hoping for never happens.
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Star Wars actors John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran, who endured years of hatred hurled at them merely for doing their part to expand representation in the galaxy, have openly pushed back on the haters. (As Boyega has tweeted, “I don’t frick with you no more.”) Fan coordinators—who used to build hype by organizing events and sending out newsletters—now find themselves sparring with rowdy hordes online. What’s a franchise to do? “The loss of some of the movement is not as important as getting rid of the bad apples,” says a source who helps stage pop culture events. “Most of the big players would rather stay out of it, but they’re starting not to be so idle.”
In the past, franchises tried a hands-off approach with regard to toxic fans, thinking that feeding the trolls nourished them and that defending someone under attack could exacerbate the situation. But left unchecked, conflict can metastasize into abuse. The example cited by many in Hollywood is the following surrounding filmmaker Zack Snyder’s films for DC. That contingent cleverly lobbied Warner Bros. to release Snyder’s cut of Justice League but were soon overshadowed by a subset of fans who sometimes menaced critics and studio executives alike with violent words and imagery. Snyder, who had focused on fans who did real-world good deeds like raising money for suicide prevention, has denounced the bad actors to V.F., though the troll element remains.
Right now Hollywood is trying to nurture healthier followings rather than just growing them as large as possible. The fans don’t always have to like the movies, TV shows, or books, and they are welcome to disagree with each other. Debate is part of the fun. But the goal is to be more reasonable, and maybe even kinder. Getting older fans to drop their toxicity is trickier than ensuring new fans never travel down that path, so some are trying to teach “good fandom,” just like schools once taught good citizenship.
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Which of these franchises would you say brings out the worst in the M/TV board?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:09 pm to Sun God
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Vanity Fair
Who buys this shitrag?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Star Wars actors John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran, who endured years of hatred hurled at them merely for doing their part to expand representation in the galaxy, have openly pushed back on the haters.
Nobody cares about this shite if they aren't horrendous characters.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:49 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
You forgot America’s couple John Legend and his freakish tiny faced wife
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
Franchisees develop toxic behaviors in fans with studios behave toxicly towards said fans. When studios fight fans and attack the fans for not liking the studio’s product, they invite toxic actions because those get attention.
Notice, among Star Wars fans, there’s no “toxic” fans of Rogue One or the Mandalorian. The entire fandom is united in loving those properties. What people hate are the sequels, and that hate turned toxic when studios attacked fans for hating them.
Notice, among Star Wars fans, there’s no “toxic” fans of Rogue One or the Mandalorian. The entire fandom is united in loving those properties. What people hate are the sequels, and that hate turned toxic when studios attacked fans for hating them.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:43 pm to kingbob
Calling out toxic "fans" only encourages them.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 12:14 am to RLDSC FAN
Yeah that's a lot of bull shite. On the one hand they at least called out the stans and shippers but then tried to blame the older fans. The shippers are the most toxic of all and they aren't the older fans.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 4:20 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Who buys this shitrag?
They/thems who look like this:
Posted on 8/19/21 at 4:49 am to RLDSC FAN
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Star Wars actors John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran, who endured years of hatred hurled at them merely for doing their part to expand representation in the galaxy
Last I checked, John Boyega's character was very popular in the aftermath of The Force Awakens. Aside from a few people who complained about it being a rehash of the original Star Wars, there was a lot of goodwill that came out of Episode VII. It wasn't until The Last Jedi, with that stupid sub-plot to the casino planet, that people soured on his character. But that was mainly because he was a simp in the presence of Kelly Marie Tran's Rose - the Jar Jar Binks of the sequel trilogy.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 6:54 am to kingbob
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Franchisees develop toxic behaviors in fans with studios behave toxicly towards said fans.
This.
Don't shite on Star Wars by filling it full of "diversity & inclusion" for the sake of casting a non-white person out of spite, and couple that with a shite story, and then we'll talk.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 7:34 am to RollTide1987
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Kelly Marie Tran's Rose - the Jar Jar Binks of the sequel trilogy.
Jar Jar was at least funny, even if he was misplaced. He at least drove some of the narrative in Episode 1. Rose was the most pointless character in any major movie franchise I’ve seen and was played by someone who has no business in a blockbuster role.
And the problem with modern fandom is that a lot of these new “fans” aren’t fans of whatever they are claiming to be fans of. They “like” being part of something that is popular so that they can bask in the attention that comes from the franchise being popular. They are basically fans of the “fandom” rather than the IP.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:02 am to RLDSC FAN
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who endured years of hatred hurled at them merely for doing their part to expand representation in the galaxy
Lulz
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:46 am to Jcorye1
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Star Wars actors John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran, who endured years of hatred hurled at them merely for doing their part to expand representation in the galaxy, have openly pushed back on the haters.
Nobody cares about this shite if they aren't horrendous characters.
Depends on the hate, but tormenting actors because a character is poorly written and directed? That's on the fans, not the actors.
Considering what we know about the directors and writers for those movies, the actors have my pity, not my ire.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:00 am to RLDSC FAN
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Star Wars actors John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran, who endured years of hatred hurled at them merely for doing their part to expand representation in the galaxy, have openly pushed back on the haters.
Lies. No fan of Star Wars has any issues whatsoever with "representation." You cannot be a Star Wars fan and have a problem with the diversity. The series is defined by alien races. Diversity has been a part of it from day 1.
John Boyega was criminally underused in the sequel trilogy. He was probably the most interesting new character that they introduced and it would have been great if they had actually explored the stormtrooper defector aspect more. Instead, they did literally nothing with that.
Kelly Marie Tran's character never should have existed and actually made the series worse.
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That contingent cleverly lobbied Warner Bros. to release Snyder’s cut of Justice League but were soon overshadowed by a subset of fans who sometimes menaced critics and studio executives alike with violent words and imagery.
This is the first time I've heard anything about this, but truly I don't care. Why do these people get so bent out of shape over trolls? Just delete the nonsense and move on like normal people do. Or report it to police if you feel like you've actually gotten a threat. You know, like an adult.
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The fans don’t always have to like the movies, TV shows, or books
Might as well just say "our business model doesn't require us to turn a profit."
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some are trying to teach “good fandom,”
I read this to say "you should buy what we're putting out even if it's terrible and destroys everything you love about the franchise we're working with."
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:55 am to RLDSC FAN
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Social media is partly, if not entirely, to blame.
Attack their biggest competitor, definitely no conflict of interest.
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It took a notoriously dark turn over the past half dozen years
As people have realized that they are being propagandized to.
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Now every franchise deals with a subset of “fans” who see their devotion as a license to make threats, use racist and sexist language, and engage in Twitter dogpiles.
Stop shi**ing on the things people love, Hollywood.
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Star Wars actors John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran, who endured years of hatred hurled at them merely for doing their part to expand representation
Who also starred in the literal worst iterations of the series that destroyed the canon. It must be racism.
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“The loss of some of the movement is not as important as getting rid of the bad apples,”
Getting rid of your biggest fans. That's a bold move, Cotton.
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In the past, franchises tried a hands-off approach with regard to toxic fans, thinking that feeding the trolls nourished them and that defending someone under attack could exacerbate the situation. But left unchecked, conflict can metastasize into abuse. The example cited by many in Hollywood is the following surrounding filmmaker Zack Snyder’s films for DC. That contingent cleverly lobbied Warner Bros. to release Snyder’s cut of Justice League but were soon overshadowed by a subset of fans who sometimes menaced critics and studio executives alike with violent words and imagery. Snyder, who had focused on fans who did real-world good deeds like raising money for suicide prevention, has denounced the bad actors to V.F.
Rapists and sexual harassing executives understand how things can metastasize into abuse.
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they are welcome to disagree with each other. Debate is part of the fun.
Clicks and views from lovers and haters drive traffic to "entertainment" sites and they make money either way.
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some are trying to teach “good fandom,” just like schools once taught good citizenship.
Why won't you listen to your corporate overlords. Maybe some good old American brainwashing is in order.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:10 am to RLDSC FAN
Was thinking this was an article saying it's time for fans to stop spending their money on the movies made by people with a history of making stinkers. No better way to hurt the people making bad ones.
You guys are so bad...
You guys are so bad...
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But left unchecked, conflict can metastasize into abuse. The example cited by many in Hollywood is the following surrounding filmmaker Zack Snyder’s films for DC. That contingent cleverly lobbied Warner Bros. to release Snyder’s cut of Justice League but were soon overshadowed by a subset of fans who sometimes menaced critics and studio executives alike with violent words and imagery.
quote:If they can't get you back, they'll go after your kids.
Getting older fans to drop their toxicity is trickier than ensuring new fans never travel down that path, so some are trying to teach “good fandom,” just like schools once taught good citizenship.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:22 am to RLDSC FAN
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What’s a franchise to do?
Stop doing this:
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doing their part to expand representation in the galaxy
Stop focusing on "representation" and/or "inclusion" as a story or character element. The only people who care about that are the outrage crowd and while they make lots of noise they aren't all that plentiful. Instead, focus on making good, compelling stories. Work on building relatable characters who make understandable decisions based on what the viewers have learned about them and have a world of reasonable consequences which impact their decisions.
Instead, we get shite like this:
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That's how we're going to win; not fighting what we hate,... saving what we love.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:36 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 8/19/21 at 11:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
Obsessive people do suck.
BUT, to blame the hate on those few fanatics for the feeling that fans have for getting crapped on and not loving it, that is just dishonest. Clown World
BUT, to blame the hate on those few fanatics for the feeling that fans have for getting crapped on and not loving it, that is just dishonest. Clown World
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