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UPDATE II| OP: A few questions for James Bond fans
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:11 am
UPDATE II 2-2-21:
So I watched the original Casino Royale (1967). First let me say there were some things I appreciated about it. The music and art direction were great, and the "bond girls" beautiful. My favorite was the young Barbara Bouchet as the new Miss Moneypenny. Also, I got a kick out of the over-the-top Scottish stuff.
Having said that, this might just be the worst movie I've ever seen. I get it's a parody and I'm sure the jokes and references would have been more timely and appreciated in the late 60s, but to me most fell flat on their face. The plot was overly complicated and all over the place. Scenes didn't flow, parts didn't make sense, it dragged on way too long (2:11), was not cohesive, and did little to entertain me.
Despite it being so bad, I would still recommend it to anyone committed to viewing the entire Bond collection. It definitely has a place in history and Bond-lore; and, like I said, the Bond girls are nice.
UPDATE 1-30-21:
So I have finished the first five Bond movies and here are my initial thoughts. They are all unique and good in their own way. So far I think “You Only Live Twice” is my favorite followed by “From Russia With Love.” Best Bond girl so far is the lead from “Thunder Ball.”
Now, I’m not offended by any of it, but I am blown away at how much has changed since these were released as far as the PC culture goes. Those movies would be crucified today. It’s almost funny how blatant the sexism and misogyny is. Almost like Fleming was satirical in his approach to the stereotype. (I don’t know how close the film character is to the source material but I assuming close.) Also, Bond playing yellow-face in “You Only Live Twice” is laughingly cringe worthy when thinking about how that would go over today.
I expect at this point I’ll deviate over to the original 1967 “Casino Royal,” then pick up with the next and only George Lazenby film “In Her Majesty’s Secret Service.” May update again in another five films or so.
I am ashamed to admit I've only see the Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig 007 films—which is inexcusable since I love the genre and, furthermore, I'm a big Sean Connery fan (or so I claim but can I really be if I haven't seen his Bond portrayal?)
I have thought about going back and watching them all but am afraid of either being bored by the older ones due to campy effects or burning out before I finish.
1) Are they all good?
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Bonus question: Does the 1967 Casino Royale count?
So I watched the original Casino Royale (1967). First let me say there were some things I appreciated about it. The music and art direction were great, and the "bond girls" beautiful. My favorite was the young Barbara Bouchet as the new Miss Moneypenny. Also, I got a kick out of the over-the-top Scottish stuff.
Having said that, this might just be the worst movie I've ever seen. I get it's a parody and I'm sure the jokes and references would have been more timely and appreciated in the late 60s, but to me most fell flat on their face. The plot was overly complicated and all over the place. Scenes didn't flow, parts didn't make sense, it dragged on way too long (2:11), was not cohesive, and did little to entertain me.
Despite it being so bad, I would still recommend it to anyone committed to viewing the entire Bond collection. It definitely has a place in history and Bond-lore; and, like I said, the Bond girls are nice.
UPDATE 1-30-21:
So I have finished the first five Bond movies and here are my initial thoughts. They are all unique and good in their own way. So far I think “You Only Live Twice” is my favorite followed by “From Russia With Love.” Best Bond girl so far is the lead from “Thunder Ball.”
Now, I’m not offended by any of it, but I am blown away at how much has changed since these were released as far as the PC culture goes. Those movies would be crucified today. It’s almost funny how blatant the sexism and misogyny is. Almost like Fleming was satirical in his approach to the stereotype. (I don’t know how close the film character is to the source material but I assuming close.) Also, Bond playing yellow-face in “You Only Live Twice” is laughingly cringe worthy when thinking about how that would go over today.
I expect at this point I’ll deviate over to the original 1967 “Casino Royal,” then pick up with the next and only George Lazenby film “In Her Majesty’s Secret Service.” May update again in another five films or so.
I am ashamed to admit I've only see the Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig 007 films—which is inexcusable since I love the genre and, furthermore, I'm a big Sean Connery fan (or so I claim but can I really be if I haven't seen his Bond portrayal?)
I have thought about going back and watching them all but am afraid of either being bored by the older ones due to campy effects or burning out before I finish.
1) Are they all good?
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Bonus question: Does the 1967 Casino Royale count?
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 8:31 am
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:14 am to jbraua
quote:
1) Are they all good?
No
quote:
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all
Yes
quote:
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Sean Connery, because he is Bond.
quote:
Does the 1967 Casino Royale count?
No
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:19 am to jbraua
quote:
1) Are they all good?
Nope. Hell I would argue a lot of Roger Moore's films were the Saint in the Bond universe.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:20 am to jbraua
The Connery Bond films are a lot like the Brosnan ones, just with less over the top explosions, and more witty dialogue (still lots of double-entendres and flirty puns).
Hallmarks of the Bond franchise before Craig:
1. Bond bangs every woman he meets, usually through quality pun-manship and being the smoothest man alive
2. Campy, over-the top villain with an overly complicated plan for world domination
3. Campy, over-the top henchman who works for the villain.
4. One of Bond’s sexual conquests works for the bad guy either willingly or against her will.
5. Bond escapes capture through gadget shenanigans and pithy one-liners
6. Nothing is ever taken too seriously, and it’s all for fun.
7. Even the bad ones are fun.
8. Early bonds are all about subtle dialogue and the occasional hidden silenced pistol or sleeper hold. Later Bond movies are all about elaborate chase sequences and dazzling (but now dated) effects.
Hallmarks of the Bond franchise before Craig:
1. Bond bangs every woman he meets, usually through quality pun-manship and being the smoothest man alive
2. Campy, over-the top villain with an overly complicated plan for world domination
3. Campy, over-the top henchman who works for the villain.
4. One of Bond’s sexual conquests works for the bad guy either willingly or against her will.
5. Bond escapes capture through gadget shenanigans and pithy one-liners
6. Nothing is ever taken too seriously, and it’s all for fun.
7. Even the bad ones are fun.
8. Early bonds are all about subtle dialogue and the occasional hidden silenced pistol or sleeper hold. Later Bond movies are all about elaborate chase sequences and dazzling (but now dated) effects.
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:30 am to kingbob
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Campy, over-the top henchman who works for the villain.
disagree. there is nothing campy about guys who throw their hats at people as weapons or guys with huge metal teeth.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:30 am to jbraua
quote:
1) Are they all good?
No
quote:
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
Yes, it is worth it to watch them all. Watch in any order.
quote:
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Pierce Brosnan. He seemed like an updated Sean Connery in the role.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:38 am to jbraua
quote:
Bonus question: Does the 1967 Casino Royale count?
Yes.
The best soundtrack of any Bond film.
The best set of Bond girls (Ursula Andress, Joanna Pettet, Dahlia Lavi, and Jacqueline Bisset as Miss Goodthighs)
A precursor to the final Blazing Saddles fight scene.
The concept that was appropriated by Mike Meyers for the Austin Powers franchise.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 11:46 am to jbraua
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2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
Get ready for some lines and moments that would never make it in 2020. Particularly some of Connery's lines towards women (Not now dear, man talk).
My favorite however might be Q's invention of the Ghetto Blaster.
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:25 pm to jbraua
quote:
1) Are they all good?
Objectively? No.
quote:
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
Eh...I tried to do the full watch a year or so ago and could not make it though the Roger Moore run. If you're a completest, then sure. At least watch all the Connery ones, excluding Never Say Never Again.
quote:
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Connery. He's perfect in the role.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:33 pm to jbraua
1) Are they all good?
No...But it doesn't matter. It's Bond!
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
You need to watch them in order starting with Dr. No because even back then there are some carry over stories or topics from movie to movie.
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Sean Connery by a mile. Why?...Just watch and you'll understand. He has what "Austin Powers" calls as "MOJO".
Bonus question: Does the 1967 Casino Royale count?
No..If you want campy I recommend "Our Man Flint" or the "Matt Helm" Satires...good stuff
No...But it doesn't matter. It's Bond!
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
You need to watch them in order starting with Dr. No because even back then there are some carry over stories or topics from movie to movie.
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Sean Connery by a mile. Why?...Just watch and you'll understand. He has what "Austin Powers" calls as "MOJO".
Bonus question: Does the 1967 Casino Royale count?
No..If you want campy I recommend "Our Man Flint" or the "Matt Helm" Satires...good stuff
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:47 pm to jbraua
Daniel Craig's version of Bond is a straight up action hero. He's more Ethan Hunt than James Bond imo.
The original Bond relied much more on his wit and people skills.
Edit to echo the above: They are not all good, some are quite terrible. Connery is the best, Brosnan a close second. Roger Moore wasn't that bad, it was just a bad era in general.
The original Bond relied much more on his wit and people skills.
Edit to echo the above: They are not all good, some are quite terrible. Connery is the best, Brosnan a close second. Roger Moore wasn't that bad, it was just a bad era in general.
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:49 pm to kingbob
006 wasn’t campy at all. Or the general either.
Onatop I’ll give you, was a campy #2.
I wouldn’t even say Elliot Carver was campy either.
Onatop I’ll give you, was a campy #2.
I wouldn’t even say Elliot Carver was campy either.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:52 pm to jbraua
1. No. YMMV on which ones those are to a degree.
2. I wouldn’t say “era” or “lead” as much as certain films. In general, most Connery films, On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, and a smattering of Moore, Brosnan, and Craig are the right way to go.
Taste matters to a degree. I think Timothy Dalton’s two entries suck but some disagree.
3. Not sure. Connery, Brosnan, and Craig all have a good claim on it. Moore is too campy, Lazeby too short lived, and Dalton’s material sucked.
Bonus - Nope, never happened.
2. I wouldn’t say “era” or “lead” as much as certain films. In general, most Connery films, On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, and a smattering of Moore, Brosnan, and Craig are the right way to go.
Taste matters to a degree. I think Timothy Dalton’s two entries suck but some disagree.
3. Not sure. Connery, Brosnan, and Craig all have a good claim on it. Moore is too campy, Lazeby too short lived, and Dalton’s material sucked.
Bonus - Nope, never happened.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:58 pm to Athos
Goldeneye is more exception than rule. Xenia is campy, but 006 certainly wasn’t. The villains in Brosnan’s other Bond films were much more campy, yet Goldeneye is clearly the best.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:58 pm to jbraua
quote:
1) Are they all good?
No. Roger more generally sucks.
quote:
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
I would watch them all, because why not? Even the bad ones are fun the first time. You'll just never want to waste time on some of them again.
quote:
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Timothy Dalton. Stone cold killer. Has the build, looks like a spy. He's charming without being too goofy - which even Sean Connery went there. Connery is a debonair rogue, not a spy. Dalton is a spy. Dalton is also the closest match for Flemming's writing.
His movies are underrated and he never really got a chance, because well, Roger Moore kind of ruined the franchise for awhile.
I'd rank them:
1. Dalton
2. Connery/Lazenby
3. Daniel Craig
4. Pierce Brosnan - perfect in Goldeneye, but too Roger Moore-y in the rest
5. David Niven - Yup
6. Mayonnaise
7. Inspector Clouseau
8. Encyclopedia Brown
9. Nancy Drew
....
50. Roger Moore. That's about right.
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 10/5/20 at 12:59 pm to teke184
quote:
I think Timothy Dalton’s two entries suck but some disagree.
The Living Daylights had an overly convoluted plot as well as some retroactive problems with James Bond essentially saving the proto Taliban but Licence to Kill was very solid.
Dalton had made the role his own in that movie and though the stakes were relatively small, watching what happens when you really piss the most dangerous man in the world off was some good PG-13 fun.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 1:02 pm to jbraua
Posted on 10/5/20 at 1:02 pm to jbraua
1) Are they all good?
No. After the early Roger Moore films they got extremely campy. Additionally, A View to a Kill is a remake of Goldfinger and Roger Moore was way too long in the tooth at that point. Consider this; Roger Moore was three years OLDER than Sean Connery. All of the Connery films are very good, but when he returned for Diamonds Are Forever, it was obvious that he had already been out of the role for the previous movie - On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Connery actually looked better in the unofficial Never Say Never Again.
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
Go in order. They are worth a watch from the standpoint that they are time capsules of what was going on and the evolution, or de-evolution of the character.
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Connery because he was born for the role and had so much of Fleming's material to work with. Pierce is second for me, just because I was a Remington Steele fan and thought he was born for the role as well. Dalton was the brooding Bond that Fleming wrote, and the world was not ready for him after Roger Moore. Daniel Craig had the luxury of coming into the franchise when everyone seemed ready for more grit. He's good at it, and while I enjoy his acting, I really have a difficult time with the fact that he is not what I would consider suave or even really good looking.
No. After the early Roger Moore films they got extremely campy. Additionally, A View to a Kill is a remake of Goldfinger and Roger Moore was way too long in the tooth at that point. Consider this; Roger Moore was three years OLDER than Sean Connery. All of the Connery films are very good, but when he returned for Diamonds Are Forever, it was obvious that he had already been out of the role for the previous movie - On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Connery actually looked better in the unofficial Never Say Never Again.
2) Is it worth the time to watch them all, or should I start out with a certain actor or decade first?
Go in order. They are worth a watch from the standpoint that they are time capsules of what was going on and the evolution, or de-evolution of the character.
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
Connery because he was born for the role and had so much of Fleming's material to work with. Pierce is second for me, just because I was a Remington Steele fan and thought he was born for the role as well. Dalton was the brooding Bond that Fleming wrote, and the world was not ready for him after Roger Moore. Daniel Craig had the luxury of coming into the franchise when everyone seemed ready for more grit. He's good at it, and while I enjoy his acting, I really have a difficult time with the fact that he is not what I would consider suave or even really good looking.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 1:03 pm to jbraua
quote:
3) Who's your favorite James Bond and why?
The pre-teen/teen LSUPERMAN liked Roger Moore the best because I grew up on Octopussy and A View to a Kill. Only when I got older did I realize how campy his version was and how great SC was. Also, RM looked to old for the role.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 1:03 pm to jbraua
I'm not sure who my favorite Bond is, but the actor with the highest hit rate of movies was easily Connery. The only one that I did not really care for was when he went to Japan and they tried to make him look Japanese.
had a hard time finishing this movie.
had a hard time finishing this movie.
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