re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"

I don't think you get what im saying...

ive stated a few times that i thought it was a good show, better than a lot even, but it is not without its flaws and i think people on here are over hyping (sp?) it on here for the wrong reasons.

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Other than the generic light versus dark analogy, I see nothing similar to Buffy here. Rust was a complicated man who had built this wall around him and, while in a coma/almost dying, he feels love from his child who was taken away from him. That overwhelming feeling of love (something he had evidently not experienced in a long, long time; if ever) was found "on the other side" and so it is only natural for him to want to be there. His light is winning comment comes from, imo, the fact that he knows that there is good in the universe and that we truly are something beyond "scented (sic) meat." haha

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which to me felt exactly like the speach Buffy gives when she finally decided to tell the group what it was like where she was when she died. she saw the light and felt happy. She was in a place that was warm and good before being brought back to a place full of evil.

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which to me felt exactly like the speach Buffy gives when she finally decided to tell the group what it was like where she was when she died. she saw the light and felt happy. She was in a place that was warm and good before being brought back to a place full of evil.

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and there are countless other shows or stories before Buffy with a similar theme

your point?

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we didn't learn anything about the cult

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did you watch this show at all? off the top of my head here is what I learned by watching all 8 episodes...

1. There is a group of Rich men who meet in the woods somewhere down south to devil worship and sacrifice women and kids
2. They all have a brand of a spiral
3. This cult worships some diety called the Yellow King and make sacrifices to it.
4. The place or realm they make these rituals is known to them as Carcosa
5. reverend Billy Lee tuttle was very involved as one of the higher ups due to the disturbing video stolen from his house and his efforts to quash the investigation...his cousin edwin Tuttle is clearly connected in some way due to the political stroke applied across several state agencies and the media to keep things out of the paper
6. Ted Childress, a cousin or illegitimate brother of the tuttles who was a sherrif also was involved as he and others in the force ensured lots of missing person reports became "made in error"
7. This cult is rooted in a mixture of cajun mardi gras, voudon, the occult/old gods
8. the "sprawl" and reach of the cult goes back at least to Sam Tuttle and maybe longer back...he had many many kids by many different women and spawned different families htat were indoctrinated by the cult for many decades. He abused his own kids/grandkids as well
9. one of the spawns of this effed up family is an illigitmate grandkid of sam tuttles, named errol childress. he was raised around this cult and witnessed it from an early age...he was abused by his father and burned on his face. he clearly learned to speak in different accents by watching TV shows and mimicking the actors. Errol extended the damage inflicted by the cult by personally carrying out killings and displaying some of the victims publicly to incite a confrontation with Law to complete his "ascension"


there is likely more, but that is just from memory...if you don't know enough about the cult, I guess you need to have the secret ritual handbook and member roster

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and there are countless other shows or stories before Buffy with a similar theme your point?

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i felt it was a lazy and very predictable way to end the Rust character.

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Get off your high horse.

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the frick?

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When Rust was in a coma, he was in the void because a coma is like a living death. You are brain dead except for your heartbeat and breathing. People in comas don't have thoughts.

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Am I reaching to assume this is also related to the old black lady's comment "death is not the end"?

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ut in the void he felt his daughter's presence and said it felt real to him. I loved that monologue because it mirrored something he said earlier this season about the faces of people who are near death. He says they look content because they're finally able to let go.

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"They welcomed it".


I do like the way NP wove all of this dialogue together.

the fact that you watch Buffy the vampire slayer tells me all I need to know about you

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Am I reaching to assume this is also related to the old black lady's comment "death is not the end"?

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That came to mind.

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"They welcomed it"

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Yep, that's the line. But when Rust tried to welcome it he woke up.

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which to me felt exactly like the speech Buffy gives when she finally decided to tell the group what it was like where she was when she died. she saw the light and felt happy. She was in a place that was warm and good before being brought back to a place full of evil.

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I suppose I would agree that there is commonality in the personal nature of the revelations. One of the things that, thinking about it now, separates it from Buffy for me may simply be the dark, "real world" nature of True Detective versus the pseudo-comedic horror world of Buffy. Add in the humanity involved with the loss/love of a child, and it seems to be further apart for me. But I do see your point!