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re: Top Gun: Maverick — just want to reiterate how…
Posted on 10/5/23 at 12:42 am to Nutriaitch
Posted on 10/5/23 at 12:42 am to Nutriaitch
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I took that look to be more of a "how the frick does Stinger know?"
Another interesting tidbit about the OG Top Gun (1986) - time has been reasonably kind to the cast.
Kelly McGillis and Val Kilmer (both Julliard in the early 80s, although 2 groups separated), although still with us, have had relatively high profile health problems and obviously are general exceptions to this. Clarence Gilyard (Sundown) also passed relatively young at 66 (an Air Force brat from a New Orleans family, BTW).
But, the rest of the cast has fared pretty well. Even the the authority figures (who are getting long in the tooth) are all still with us:
Stinger (James Tolkan) is 92 and was active in conventions at least up until COVID.
Jester (Michael Ironside) is 73, always kind of played older as it is, still works regularly.
Viper (Tom Skerritt) is 90 and led a film since COVID (2021's East of the Mountains).
Even Ron Clark, who led the board of review, is still kicking (also 90). You baws probably know his work cowriting with Mel Brooks - Silent Movie, High Anxiety, Life Stinks, plus Revenge of the Pink Panther, with Frank Waldman and Blake Edwards. He also wrote a shite ton of comedy TV going back to the 60s, although he hasn't written much lately.
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:07 pm to CocomoLSU
Not many movies live up to the hype, this one did, in spades.
Tom Cruise should get an Emmy nomination for production.
Tom Cruise should get an Emmy nomination for production.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:08 pm to sorantable
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The OG Top Gun is the worst movie I’ve ever watched.
Shut your whore mouth.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:48 pm to SG_Geaux
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don't get it. I think the movie is grossly overrated.
Agreed. I thought it had a cookie cutter plot and terribly predictable ending.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 7:12 am to emanresu
quote:The problem is some of you guys judge all movies with the same lens. TG original and sequel were never meant to push the boundaries of film, they were meant to be exciting blockbuster movies that were fun and entertaining to the masses. To that end, they are AWESOME movies and I have been entertained by both in multiple viewings. The fact that some of you cannot enjoy this type of movie is more a condemnation on you than the movies. In the words of Sgt Hulka (Stripes), “Lighten up Francis!”
don't get it. I think the movie is grossly overrated.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 7:13 am
Posted on 10/6/23 at 9:17 am to StatMaster
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Tom Cruise should get an Emmy nomination for production.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 11:07 am to CocomoLSU
Loved the movie, but by the end I couldn’t help but think “you know it would be a whole lot easier to just use drones.”
Posted on 10/6/23 at 8:31 pm to Ace Midnight
I had always thought Goose said “PEGGY Benjamin?”
Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:00 am to StatMaster
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The problem is some of you guys judge all movies with the same lens. TG original and sequel were never meant to push the boundaries of film, they were meant to be exciting blockbuster movies that were fun and entertaining to the masses. To that end, they are AWESOME movies and I have been entertained by both in multiple viewings. The fact that some of you cannot enjoy this type of movie is more a condemnation on you than the movies. In the words of Sgt Hulka (Stripes), “Lighten up Francis!”
OG Top Gun is much more realistic than TG Mav. Not completely realistic, but much more so than Mav.
Hell, landing the Tomcat on the carrier reminded me of Sheen's landing in Hot Shots.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:10 pm to CocomoLSU
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It’s as perfect of a sequel as they could’ve made. It does a great job of tying into the original while still feeling like a fresh enough story.
ghostbusters is as perfect of a sequel as could be made.
Top gun just has so much plot armor and poor writing that it was okay. Plus it just has some stuff that makes no sense in it. Sorry to disagree but it was average
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:21 pm to GamecockUltimate
And I disagree with you about TG. But I do agree that Ghostbusters 2 is also one of the best sequels of all time though. I’ve always said that on here.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:03 pm to CocomoLSU
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CocomoLSU
Rewatching now (again). Agree - its fantastic
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:25 pm to CocomoLSU
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And I disagree with you about TG. But I do agree that Ghostbusters 2 is also one of the best sequels of all time though. I’ve always said that on here.
I mean here are a few things I didnt like about TG
- The darkstar is in like one scene and never used. Clearly it was meant to be in the plot and then a rewrite happened.
- Why does maverick not do the run early to show them it could be done, why wait until after he is grounded
- The last one brings me to this one. He would have been court marshalled and in so much trouble.
- why are we using outdated aircraft when modern fighters could do all that stuff and better.
- When Tom Cruise is shot down, that helicopter would have absolutely wrecked him.
- Rooster was a terrible choice to fly the mission. he was easily the worst of them all. Maverick risked the mission for an old friendship...dumb.
- If maverick just sat down and talked to rooster it could have been communicated out. instead you get weird tension...that really shouldnt happen with Chain of command.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:03 pm to GamecockUltimate
Some of those are legit gripes, but some are just nitpicking IMO.
Like choosing Rooster for the mission. The plot wouldn’t make much sense if it’s anybody else. I thought it was done well since it likely should’ve been Hangman, but he handles it well and ensues up saving the day and getting his second air kill in the end. Really good compromise for his character.
Mav and Rooster literally say they’re gonna talk when it’s over and they are back. And the reason Mav doesn’t talk to him is because a) Rooster hates him so he gives him his distance, and b) he doesn’t want to tell him the truth about his mother asking Mav to keep him out. He even says something to the effect of “he already hates me, why make him hate her too?”
Mav’s job wasn’t to make the run. It was to train the best pilots in the world to do it. He also would’ve never gotten clearance from Cyclone to do it. They were literally in the midst of dumbing the training down to the point where it wouldn’t be successful when he made his trial run at 2:15 as a last resort. Something needed to be done and he stepped up and did it and gave them the confidence needed by showing them it was possible (since before that nobody believed it was).
As for the court martial, they basically address that. Cyclone says he has everything he needed to have him booted, but then he says that the choice he makes is to let him lead the mission. He knows at that point that Mav is the best/only chance the mission has to succeed.
As for the outdated equipment, don’t they address why it has to be done the way it was planned? I don’t remember specifics but I thought they talked about that.
The only one I’m really with you on is the helicopter at the end. Hiding behind that log wouldn’t have done shite. But at least it was destroyed quickly (by Rooster) and didn’t get too out of hand.
I did think Mav was gonna sacrifice himself in the end, and the movie would’ve hit harder had he done that. But I enjoyed him surviving anyway.
The plot armor thing is legit. Every time it seemed like something bad was happening (the bird strike, the black pilot blacking out and almost crashing, Mav crashing, etc) it ended up just fine. So that argument makes sense to me. But I still didn’t mind everything working out (the only real negative outcome was Ice dying). It’s that kind of movie.
Like choosing Rooster for the mission. The plot wouldn’t make much sense if it’s anybody else. I thought it was done well since it likely should’ve been Hangman, but he handles it well and ensues up saving the day and getting his second air kill in the end. Really good compromise for his character.
Mav and Rooster literally say they’re gonna talk when it’s over and they are back. And the reason Mav doesn’t talk to him is because a) Rooster hates him so he gives him his distance, and b) he doesn’t want to tell him the truth about his mother asking Mav to keep him out. He even says something to the effect of “he already hates me, why make him hate her too?”
Mav’s job wasn’t to make the run. It was to train the best pilots in the world to do it. He also would’ve never gotten clearance from Cyclone to do it. They were literally in the midst of dumbing the training down to the point where it wouldn’t be successful when he made his trial run at 2:15 as a last resort. Something needed to be done and he stepped up and did it and gave them the confidence needed by showing them it was possible (since before that nobody believed it was).
As for the court martial, they basically address that. Cyclone says he has everything he needed to have him booted, but then he says that the choice he makes is to let him lead the mission. He knows at that point that Mav is the best/only chance the mission has to succeed.
As for the outdated equipment, don’t they address why it has to be done the way it was planned? I don’t remember specifics but I thought they talked about that.
The only one I’m really with you on is the helicopter at the end. Hiding behind that log wouldn’t have done shite. But at least it was destroyed quickly (by Rooster) and didn’t get too out of hand.
I did think Mav was gonna sacrifice himself in the end, and the movie would’ve hit harder had he done that. But I enjoyed him surviving anyway.
The plot armor thing is legit. Every time it seemed like something bad was happening (the bird strike, the black pilot blacking out and almost crashing, Mav crashing, etc) it ended up just fine. So that argument makes sense to me. But I still didn’t mind everything working out (the only real negative outcome was Ice dying). It’s that kind of movie.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:29 pm to CocomoLSU
Jennifer Connelly dresses up any movie she’s in.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:46 pm to CocomoLSU
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As for the outdated equipment, don’t they address why it has to be done the way it was planned?
They specifically bring up using F35's and mention some kinda GPS tech negates the usefulness of the 35. It was kinda cheesy but I like that they addressed it.
I think the bombs had to be lazed in and the 35 can't do that, or something to that effect.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 10/8/23 at 10:55 am to Ace Midnight
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In the end, though, you're right. The character itself is kind of forced into a picture shot in 2019 when he should be about 30 (Teller was 32 and the other young pilots were all around the late 20s range) - Rooster being about 4 in 1985 or 1986 blows that up and should have been pushing 40 in 2019
All they had to do is not mention the F-35 and the movie could have taken place in 2010 and largely be the same movie.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 12:20 pm to CocomoLSU
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I did think Mav was gonna sacrifice himself in the end, and the movie would’ve hit harder had he done that.
Only thing I would have changed.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 3:41 pm to udtiger
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Only thing I would have changed.
I would have made Top Gun 25 or so years earlier. The first gulf war would have made the perfect backdrop for Maverick and Iceman (both in their early 30’s) battling it out for a promotion.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:30 pm to BRIllini07
First of all…loved the movie…especially after the string of sequels that did everything they could to undo or push aside the originals and their characters. TGM did just the opposite.
Besides the usual physics and normal stuff you have to overlook in a movie like this….the one thing that hit me was the TG pilots giving Maverick a hard time and throwing him out of the bar.
I have to think if he was a TG pilot that had his pedigree, shot down MIGs, became a test pilot and is now “old” guy living in a hanger with a P51 and refusing to move up so he could continue to fly….he’d be a living legend in the piloting community that everyone would recognize.
Besides the usual physics and normal stuff you have to overlook in a movie like this….the one thing that hit me was the TG pilots giving Maverick a hard time and throwing him out of the bar.
I have to think if he was a TG pilot that had his pedigree, shot down MIGs, became a test pilot and is now “old” guy living in a hanger with a P51 and refusing to move up so he could continue to fly….he’d be a living legend in the piloting community that everyone would recognize.
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