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re: Thor: Ragnarok ( Spoiler Thread )
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:44 am to Dr RC
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:44 am to Dr RC
Back before the DC/Marvel console wars didn't Superman beat Thor? I know Wonder woman got him one time and took the hammer.
As people have said magic works in two ways on Superman. The reality warping is most potent.
But you need to be normal Shazam tier to trade blows with supes and win without cheating or Spectre and that's god's minion tier.
As people have said magic works in two ways on Superman. The reality warping is most potent.
But you need to be normal Shazam tier to trade blows with supes and win without cheating or Spectre and that's god's minion tier.
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:58 am to ell_13
I was pleased that Thor finally was powered up as a god should be, rather than wholly reliant on his hammer for everything. And I was pleased at his fighting prowess and strength vs Hulk. Sometimes Thor doesn’t seem nearly as strong as Hulk. Although Hulk did seem slightly powered down compared to other movies.
Maybe it was a little weird that Hela was so much more powerful than anyone else including Thor, but whatever. Also, it was odd that Thor could be thousands of years old (isnt he?) and not even have his hammer that entire time, but never realize he had any power within him. Seems he’d have noticed at some point, or Odin wouldn’t told him.
Maybe it was a little weird that Hela was so much more powerful than anyone else including Thor, but whatever. Also, it was odd that Thor could be thousands of years old (isnt he?) and not even have his hammer that entire time, but never realize he had any power within him. Seems he’d have noticed at some point, or Odin wouldn’t told him.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:04 am to biglego
quote:Hela is presented as an older, fully fleshed out villain as soon as she arrives. She already knows her powers and how strong she is/can be. That she shows up and immediately takes control with ease added weight to an otherwise light film. We also have not seen the last of her.
Maybe it was a little weird that Hela was so much more powerful than anyone else including Thor, but whatever. Also, it was odd that Thor could be thousands of years old (isnt he?) and not even have his hammer that entire time, but never realize he had any power within him. Seems he’d have noticed at some point, or Odin wouldn’t told him.
Finally, Odin became a pacifist who, up until a few years ago, didn't trust Thor to be his successor much less give him insight into his own powers.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:12 am to Freauxzen
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This x100. I think most people who enjoyed the film have mentioned plenty of things they didn't like - from Valkyrie, to some forced jokes, to some of the carefree attitudes for important story points or situations - and those comments get completely overlooked just because someone, in spite of those problems, probably liked the film.
yeah hell i agree but i didn't even add them again b/c they had already been covered
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:49 am to ell_13
Did they go into why Hela couldn't appear until Odin was dead?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:54 am to Fewer Kilometers
Not deeply at all. Just that he was somehow keeping her away. No idea where she was or how he was keeping her contained. Nor did they really go into how he contained her in the first place.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:09 pm to ell_13
Saw it Saturday, loved it.
Korg stole it.
Korg stole it.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:17 pm to ell_13
Thor's family is made up of a bunch of dicks. Besides Thor and Loki relentlessly screwing with each other, you have Odin withholding all kinds of important information. They're the Married with Children of the MCU.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:22 pm to biglego
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Also, it was odd that Thor could be thousands of years old (isnt he?) and not even have his hammer that entire time, but never realize he had any power within him.
Well, there is a reason Loki is always calling him a brainless oaf.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:23 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Gotta say it was awkward how they tried to brush past Loki’s attempt to take over earth while destroying a city and killing thousands.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:25 pm to Freauxzen
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Thor then beat Shazam in the finals.
Which is a total load of horseshite.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:14 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Thor's family is made up of a bunch of dicks. Besides Thor and Loki relentlessly screwing with each other, you have Odin withholding all kinds of important information. They're the Married with Children of the MCU.
This is true.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:39 pm to Freauxzen
Odin NEVER scored 4 touchdowns in a single game.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:47 pm to Fewer Kilometers
His Odinforce, he just warded her in a pocket dimension, that the Valkyries either pushed or held her in while he made the ritual happen.
Same as magic in Dr Strange.
Loki glossed over makes sense.
He's a frost giant raised as an Asgardian. Conquest and war is in his blood deception in his nature.
Same as magic in Dr Strange.
Loki glossed over makes sense.
He's a frost giant raised as an Asgardian. Conquest and war is in his blood deception in his nature.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:57 pm to Dr RC
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Thor then beat Shazam in the finals.
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Which is a total load of horseshite.
In the DC vs Marvel series, Thor is able to semi-divert Shazam's magic lightning enough to prevent it from reaching Billy. But it's at the cost of losing his hammer.
I'm guessing that this was part of the basis of Thor winning the Movie/TV Board poll.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:13 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I'm hoping it was a bully batson I surrender and not Thor killing the kid.
Still seems iffy that Zeus and Thor could mess with each other's lightning.
Still seems iffy that Zeus and Thor could mess with each other's lightning.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:13 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Finally saw it. It was a fun, light-hearted film and I'm all in on Jeff Golbluum being Jeff Goldbluum.
It was a fluff piece, and I'd hesitate to call it a good movie or anything, but it was a great popcorn delivery system. However, to give it credit, it was the closest we will likely ever see to a Jim Starlin comic come to life. I just wish the movie didn't call attention to its weirdness and just let the weirdness be (more like Guardians does).
The stakes were low (I don't care about the fate of Asgard), but Cate Blanchette was worth the price of admission alone. She was clearly having a blast vamping it up as the villain. It was expensive, well-made kitsch.
It was a fluff piece, and I'd hesitate to call it a good movie or anything, but it was a great popcorn delivery system. However, to give it credit, it was the closest we will likely ever see to a Jim Starlin comic come to life. I just wish the movie didn't call attention to its weirdness and just let the weirdness be (more like Guardians does).
The stakes were low (I don't care about the fate of Asgard), but Cate Blanchette was worth the price of admission alone. She was clearly having a blast vamping it up as the villain. It was expensive, well-made kitsch.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:37 pm to Baloo
quote:once she took over Asguard she would have moved on to every other world. Eventually Earth. The stakes were plenty high
The stakes were low
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:05 pm to Baloo
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The stakes were low
For me at least, I think this is generally a function of the genre. The more invulnerable your hero and the more fantasy that overtakes the plot the harder it becomes to instill the same sense of normal human peril. Even in a series where the use of supernatural is very well done (like game of thrones) I think the tension emerges where characters of normal human frailty are placed in recognizable danger.
For example, my sense of my own response is that I don't really register danger for the (GOT) dragons or giants in the same way that I do when a giant or dragon menaces a human character (who can be instantly flattened or incinerated). Similarly, I don't really register danger to a Thor (or a Superman) type character because those characters are essentially indestructible (and really only become compelling dramatically when their potential frailty emerges).
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:13 pm to molsusports
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For example, my sense of my own response is that I don't really register danger for the (GOT) dragons or giants in the same way that I do when a giant or dragon menaces a human character (who can be instantly flattened or incinerated). Similarly, I don't really register danger to a Thor (or a Superman) type character because those characters are essentially indestructible (and really only become compelling dramatically when their potential frailty emerges).
Hmmm...you do say "indestructible," but their are vulnerabilities beyond that. The concern wasn't necessarily Thor, nor was it supposed to be, it was supposed to be the Asgard people in general. Maybe they didn't make the connection well enough, but relying on indestructible vulnerability is exactly the problem for comic books, it can't and shouldn't be the only way a hero "suffers."
For instance, in the opening battle sequences - You have to know there's literally 0% Thor is going to die, or what's the point of the film. Enjoy the sequences, but expect that story point to pay off in some other way.... a la bringing Ragnarok at the end of the film. We got a cool battle sequences, some funny little moments, showing Thor's solo awesomeness, and set up Surtur's reign at the end.
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