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re: Theory about Rings of Power hate
Posted on 10/15/22 at 10:34 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 10:34 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
Maybe it’s the sophomoric writing rooted as deep in Tolkien’s lore as a paper cut.
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 10:37 am to MStant1
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Lol why is that? Do tell.
Where did they come from and where did they go? I can tell you in Game of Thrones where their black people came from and where they come and go. I can not do that in Lord of the Rings with the other races.
Posted on 10/15/22 at 10:49 am to OMLandshark
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Where did they come from and where did they go? I can tell you in Game of Thrones where their black people came from and where they come and go. I can not do that in Lord of the Rings with the other races.
Dunno where did white people in this universe come from? Why do some people have blonde hair, or brown hair, or red hair? Why do some have blue eyes or brown eyes? Black and brown people exist in real life, not sure why it matters if they exist in fantasy fiction. Do you really require a detailed discussion on human evolution anytime someone who is not white shows up in a work of fiction?
Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:28 am to MStant1
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Dunno where did white people in this universe come from?
The Hobbits come from the Anduin Valley, a temperate climate. It doesn’t make any sense for any of them to be black. Dwarves it really doesn’t make sense given they live underground. Elves it’s remotely possible there are some black elves, but none of them lived in Valinor during the Years of the Trees.
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Why do some people have blonde hair, or brown hair, or red hair? Why do some have blue eyes or brown eyes? Black and brown people exist in real life, not sure why it matters if they exist in fantasy fiction. Do you really require a detailed discussion on human evolution anytime someone who is not white shows up in a work of fiction?
Ummm, given how detailed Tolkien’s universe is and it’s clear you’ve not read a fricking word of it, yes, I do indeed require that explanation for this universe. They could have done it organically like say make the Southlanders the Harradrim, but they didn’t.
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/15/22 at 12:47 pm to OMLandshark
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The Hobbits come from the Anduin Valley, a temperate climate. It doesn’t make any sense for any of them to be black. It doesn’t make any sense for any of them to be black.
Except Tolkien did describe the Harfoots as having brown skin. So there is some conception of dark skin in Tolkien’s written universe. Also this is a universe with Wizards, Orcs, and magic rings. You’re willing to suspend belief for those things to exist, but the concept of darker skin in temperate climates is too much for you? Lol ok
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Dwarves it really doesn’t make sense given they live underground. Elves it’s remotely possible there are some black elves, but none of them lived in Valinor during the Years of the Trees.
Again, this is a universe of Elves, underground dwarves, talking trees, and an underground demon, but black/brown skin on underground characters was your breaking point? Why, because science? ??
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Ummm, given how detailed Tolkien’s universe is and it’s clear you’ve not read a fricking word of it, yes, I do indeed require that explanation for this universe. They could have done it organically like say make the Southlanders the Harradrim, but they didn’t.
I’ve read some of the books, but you’re correct I haven’t read every thing written by Tolkien. Again, though, do you really need to know why black people exist in your fantasy show? Truly, in this made up universe why can’t a dwarf, a Hobbit, Elf, human, or whatever be black/brown? Other than clearly having trouble with the concept of them just existing, you haven’t really stated why it matters. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of this show, but getting worked up over black or brown people existing is just beyond stupid.
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:52 pm to MStant1
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Except Tolkien did describe the Harfoots as having brown skin.
Listen you Woke a-hole who hasn’t read a sentence of his work, we all know what he meant by that. No, I’m not accepting this argument from you Woke cunts who merely want to destroy Tolkien’s universe.
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Also this is a universe with Wizards, Orcs, and magic rings. You’re willing to suspend belief for those things to exist, but the concept of darker skin in temperate climates is too much for you? Lol ok
Those are inherent in the universe, you Woke bitch. Go frick yourself.
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Again, this is a universe of Elves, underground dwarves, talking trees, and an underground demon, but black/brown skin on underground characters was your breaking point? Why, because science? ??
This is always it with you Woke racist (yes you are a racist) twats. “Oh why are you asking why are we doing this? Don’t you believe this?” Yeah, we’re not talking about that, you self loathing white supremacist.
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I’ve read some of the books
Unless you’re referring to the Hobbit, you’re a fricking liar.
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Again, though, do you really need to know why black people exist in your fantasy show?
“Why do you need to know?” It’s the same thing with all of you Woke communist cunts. When you’re called out on your bullshite, your only retort is asking why I’m noticing it. Go frick yourself.
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There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of this show, but getting worked up over black or brown people existing is just beyond stupid.
I don’t have a problem with them existing, you Woke piece of shite. They could have made black people the Harradrim and I wouldn’t give a shite. Again explain to me how I’m a racist when I’ve heavily praised the casting of Netflix’s Avatar: The Last Airbender:
Posted on 10/15/22 at 3:16 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
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Man I really triggered your little snowflake heart. I’m curious what “woke” rhetoric I espoused anywhere. I just simply don’t have a problem with black people existing.
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Listen you Woke a-hole who hasn’t read a sentence of his work, we all know what he meant by that. No, I’m not accepting this argument from you Woke cunts who merely want to destroy Tolkien’s universe.
I mean he literally wrote that the harfoots were browner of skin. Pretty sure he also wrote at some point that Sam had brown hands.
Seriously, it’s ok to have people of color in your fantasy show.
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This is always it with you Woke racist (yes you are a racist) twats. “Oh why are you asking why are we doing this? Don’t you believe this?” Yeah, we’re not talking about that, you self loathing white supremacist.
?? what? The guy actively arguing against people of color being in his magic ring and wizard show (you) is calling the guy who doesn’t understand why there is a problem with black people existing a white supremacist? I don’t think that means what you think it means.
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Unless you’re referring to the Hobbit, you’re a fricking liar.
Hobbit and little bit of Fellowship, but it’s been greater than 15 years ago. I’ve watched the original movie trilogy and the Hobbits a ton though (which I know doesn’t count).
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Why do you need to know?” It’s the same thing with all of you Woke communist cunts. When you’re called out on your bullshite, your only retort is asking why I’m noticing it. Go frick yourself.
Black people existing is communist? Who knew that political ideology was so accessible? But seriously, at what point in any of my posts did I mention politics? Unless you’re admitting that the political divide is on being ok or not ok with black people merely existing.
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I don’t have a problem with them existing, you Woke piece of shite. They could have made black people the Harradrim and I wouldn’t give a shite. Again explain to me how I’m a racist when I’ve heavily praised the casting of Netflix’s Avatar: The Last Airbender:
My God you are so woke right now.
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/15/22 at 5:09 pm to MStant1
The brown skin thing appears to be in the same character who also blushes.
I know this is 2022 and people automatically want to take sides based on inferences about politics but... Tolkien was writing European allegorical fantasy.
It really is just as weird to insert other races into Tolkien as much as it would have been to do the same with Asian, Latin American, or African sourced materials.
I know this is 2022 and people automatically want to take sides based on inferences about politics but... Tolkien was writing European allegorical fantasy.
It really is just as weird to insert other races into Tolkien as much as it would have been to do the same with Asian, Latin American, or African sourced materials.
Posted on 10/15/22 at 5:24 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
I like Samwell Tarly more than Samwise Gamgee, at least through season 4 of GOT, and Sam was one of my favorite LOTR characters.
Posted on 10/15/22 at 8:37 pm to Cocotheape
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their culture war
Posted on 10/16/22 at 12:08 am to Cocotheape
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2. Lore purists. This show isn’t following Tolkien’s writing, so it’s sucks to this group. Fair enough, these people existed with Jackson’s movies too, but not as widespread/vocal because of what the internet was at the time
I suspect you may be underestimating the percentage of the potential viewing audience that has at least a working familiarity with the Tolkien universe. This isn't like Game of Thrones, which brought in a ton of viewers who had never heard of George RR Martin.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:12 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
I couldn’t get through two episodes of Rings of Power.
Perhaps with GOT there are no epic movies to compare it too, but LOTR does not have that luxury. It fell extremely flat for me. Perhaps I’ll try a rewatch
Perhaps with GOT there are no epic movies to compare it too, but LOTR does not have that luxury. It fell extremely flat for me. Perhaps I’ll try a rewatch
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:44 am to MStant1
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I’ve read some of the books,
Posted on 10/17/22 at 4:24 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Mo Jeaux
I already clarified that I've only read the Hobbit and Fellowship. Not trying to pretend to be some Tolkien aficionado, but I am at least a casual fan. While I never completed the LOTR trilogy or read any of the unfinished books released by the estate, I have at least loose familiarity with what is going on.
Call me woke all day, whatever, but I truly just don't see how having people of color being in the show is supposedly destroying Tolkien's universe. I also don't see how their mere existence in the show is even "woke" by any sense of the word.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:57 am to OMLandshark
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I do indeed require that explanation for this universe
Fans, nerds, geeks, call them whatever you wish, but attention to detail has always been an integral part of their experience & enjoyment of a franchise.
That’s especially true with Tolkien .
Normies just don’t get it.
Example - Star Trek ship blueprints.
And for those down voting, people were learning how to speak Tolkien Elvish long before the Star Trek nerds started talking Klingon.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 11:24 am
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:22 am to MStant1
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I already clarified that I've only read the Hobbit and Fellowship. Not trying to pretend to be some Tolkien aficionado, but I am at least a casual fan. While I never completed the LOTR trilogy or read any of the unfinished books released by the estate, I have at least loose familiarity with what is going on. Call me woke all day, whatever, but I truly just don't see how having people of color being in the show is supposedly destroying Tolkien's universe. I also don't see how their mere existence in the show is even "woke" by any sense of the word.
There are 10+ books on the whole of Middle Earth world building/story telling. If he wanted to change things up, he could have. LOTR world building is based off of racial purity, bloodlines, clearly defined verbiage of what each race looks like. LOTR is based off of Anglo-Saxon mythology. It is uniquely that. Many people who are first time readers feel uneasy with how racial the series is.
What does going against the source material add to the show? Tell me. How is there added value by disregarding source material?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:23 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
Love LotR, loved GoT books, liked the show. New Thrones show is 7.5/10 to me. Has some flaws but delivers well.
Stopped watching Rings of Power after 3 episodes because I found it boring. Characters weren't interesting, writing was choppy, etc.
You people who spend your days defending it are an odd group
Stopped watching Rings of Power after 3 episodes because I found it boring. Characters weren't interesting, writing was choppy, etc.
You people who spend your days defending it are an odd group
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 9:24 am
Posted on 10/19/22 at 11:04 am to Scoob
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Nah, I'd say they focused on the Jackson movies instead of the books. ...but it does correlate with the movies
Galadriel was a wise, mighty, and graceful, though admittedly open to temptation, ancient being - arguably one of the most powerful elves to ever set foot on Middle Earth. Atleast that's what I got from the movies. In RoP she seems to be an angry masculine feminist that's been demoted to being a general in one of her own descendant's armies.
Unless they watched a different set of movies than I watched, something got botched, or was purposefully re-imaged in order to make room to shove in their own agendas. You are correct though that this also wildly diverges from the literature.
A worry I have now is that Amazon has already made the decision to try and keep up with GoT (HoD) and convert Galadriel, and Lord only knows how many other characters, into semi-porn stars, each of whom having occassionally strange bouts for irrational and gory violence.
I was always curious why there were a considerable number of actors who were chosen to be in the show, who later then had 'scheduling conflicts' and couldn't be in the show any more. Sure that happens all the time here and there. But a billion dollar franchise show based on a successful proven universe? I now wonder if those are the actors that read the fine print in the contracts....
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:16 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
My problem with it
Main character is absolutely horrendously written. she is awful in the role. The character from the source material was assassinated.
The show sets things up only to make it pointless one episode, or on a few occasions immediately after.
The dialogue is awful.
They actually used the word “OK” several times.
Any person with a shred of brain knew from the first two episodes who sauron is.
They have set sauron up to be a scolded lover.
It’s an abysmal show with some of the worst writing I’ve seen.
I’ve seen better shows on the CW
Main character is absolutely horrendously written. she is awful in the role. The character from the source material was assassinated.
The show sets things up only to make it pointless one episode, or on a few occasions immediately after.
The dialogue is awful.
They actually used the word “OK” several times.
Any person with a shred of brain knew from the first two episodes who sauron is.
They have set sauron up to be a scolded lover.
It’s an abysmal show with some of the worst writing I’ve seen.
I’ve seen better shows on the CW
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:45 pm to MStant1
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Again, this is a universe of Elves, underground dwarves, talking trees, and an underground demon, but black/brown skin on underground characters was your breaking point? Why, because science? ??
Modern narratives? Token socio-politics? Dated (to now) preachy dialogue? If people want those things, there are literally a billion sources all over the place for that - most of it not requiring a subscription. People watch fantasy shows like this to escape from all of that, even if for only a brief period of time.
If you want to live immersed in all that for every moment of your life, that's your right and that's just fine. But this a radical departure, in spirit and in art, from anything Tolkien ever intended. It's disgraceful, and from the quality, even embarassing.
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