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Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:07 am to parrotdr
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..in a zombie emergency, you SQUEEZE IN!
It would have been a fricking clown car if I was in charge.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:10 am to Topwater Trout
all the bitching about reloading weapons and marksmanship is fricking pointless. it's a show about reanimated corpses who eat the living.
my major gripe with the finale are the idea that if the zombies, who supposedly have no brain function other than the urge to feed, can be given the impetus to move in the direction of the sound of a helicopter, it's fairly unbelievable that they heard no other interesting noises on the way to the farm that could get them going in a different direction.
Lori is a count and always has been. Rick talked in the first episode that she was a count, and the Season 1 flashback that showed Shane informing her that Rick was shot was her bitching about Rick & their marriage. frick her.
my major gripe with the finale are the idea that if the zombies, who supposedly have no brain function other than the urge to feed, can be given the impetus to move in the direction of the sound of a helicopter, it's fairly unbelievable that they heard no other interesting noises on the way to the farm that could get them going in a different direction.
Lori is a count and always has been. Rick talked in the first episode that she was a count, and the Season 1 flashback that showed Shane informing her that Rick was shot was her bitching about Rick & their marriage. frick her.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:11 am to IPlayedGreatTonight
I have a bunch of thoughts, so I’ll haphazardly go through them…
-- First and foremost, the entire second half of season two has been outstanding. From the death of Sophia on, the pacing problems have largely evaporated, the characters (some of them anyway) have grown stronger, and the tension has been ratcheted up. I believe this mini-season was the process of Kirkman taking control of the series from Darabont.
It’s hard to tell whose idea was whose in the first half of season two (call it the Sophia Season), but Kirkman has moved the season back to the comics, and that’s a good thing. The show lacked direction for awhile, and it’s not like there wasn’t available direction from the source material. You don’t have to mimic the comics, but the show is clearly drawing on the comics now for more than just character names (let’s face it, Andrea and Carol are completely different characters than the comic). This is now Kirkman’s show, and that looks good. At least it’s somebody’s.
-- WTF, Lori? I mean, seriously. She was all but begging Rick to kill Shane and now she’s pissed he did so? STFU. It was your idea.
-- Rick’s final speech was just perfect. Instead of justifying his murder of Shane in rational terms (“the dude was crazy and tried to kill me” kind of works), he instead justifies it in the most horrifying way possible – “I let him lead me deep in the woods, and then I killed him because he kept pushing me”. He then sets himself up as dictator in the best way possible (there’s the door, you damn whiners). The only person who can possibly oppose him is Darryl…
-- And Darryl wants no piece of that action. Carol’s now gone Lady MacBeth as well, but I like Darryl’s reasoning here. What’s wrong with being the muscle? Decision making is hard, and will just make everyone hate you. I think Darryl likes being liked, and knows being in charge will ruin that. Also, as destructive as his relationship with Merle was, Merle did kind of take care of him. Some people are not born to lead. Darryl doesn’t want the responsibility.
-- Nor does Herschel. The slow destruction of that man has been compelling TV. He’s a broken man, happy to do whatever Rick says. He’s lost all authority – moral or otherwise. I just felt awful for the guy.
-- Man, did they ditch Andrea or what? Nice shot of the Sophia car to put the choice in stark relief. They spent six episodes looking for a little girl, but they didn’t spent six minutes looking for the group’s best sharpshooter. Not like she’s valuable or anything. But it showed how much of their humanity has been lost, especially with the loss of Dale. For a show that has received lots of criticism for not going anywhere, the car showed how far they had gone in their attitudes. See? There was development.
-- One thing the show has always done well is the zombies. The zombie horde was flippin awesome. Just awesome.
-- First and foremost, the entire second half of season two has been outstanding. From the death of Sophia on, the pacing problems have largely evaporated, the characters (some of them anyway) have grown stronger, and the tension has been ratcheted up. I believe this mini-season was the process of Kirkman taking control of the series from Darabont.
It’s hard to tell whose idea was whose in the first half of season two (call it the Sophia Season), but Kirkman has moved the season back to the comics, and that’s a good thing. The show lacked direction for awhile, and it’s not like there wasn’t available direction from the source material. You don’t have to mimic the comics, but the show is clearly drawing on the comics now for more than just character names (let’s face it, Andrea and Carol are completely different characters than the comic). This is now Kirkman’s show, and that looks good. At least it’s somebody’s.
-- WTF, Lori? I mean, seriously. She was all but begging Rick to kill Shane and now she’s pissed he did so? STFU. It was your idea.
-- Rick’s final speech was just perfect. Instead of justifying his murder of Shane in rational terms (“the dude was crazy and tried to kill me” kind of works), he instead justifies it in the most horrifying way possible – “I let him lead me deep in the woods, and then I killed him because he kept pushing me”. He then sets himself up as dictator in the best way possible (there’s the door, you damn whiners). The only person who can possibly oppose him is Darryl…
-- And Darryl wants no piece of that action. Carol’s now gone Lady MacBeth as well, but I like Darryl’s reasoning here. What’s wrong with being the muscle? Decision making is hard, and will just make everyone hate you. I think Darryl likes being liked, and knows being in charge will ruin that. Also, as destructive as his relationship with Merle was, Merle did kind of take care of him. Some people are not born to lead. Darryl doesn’t want the responsibility.
-- Nor does Herschel. The slow destruction of that man has been compelling TV. He’s a broken man, happy to do whatever Rick says. He’s lost all authority – moral or otherwise. I just felt awful for the guy.
-- Man, did they ditch Andrea or what? Nice shot of the Sophia car to put the choice in stark relief. They spent six episodes looking for a little girl, but they didn’t spent six minutes looking for the group’s best sharpshooter. Not like she’s valuable or anything. But it showed how much of their humanity has been lost, especially with the loss of Dale. For a show that has received lots of criticism for not going anywhere, the car showed how far they had gone in their attitudes. See? There was development.
-- One thing the show has always done well is the zombies. The zombie horde was flippin awesome. Just awesome.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:12 am to IPlayedGreatTonight
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my major gripe with the finale are the idea that if the zombies, who supposedly have no brain function other than the urge to feed, can be given the impetus to move in the direction of the sound of a helicopter, it's fairly unbelievable that they heard no other interesting noises on the way to the farm that could get them going in a different directio
how do you know they never changed direction?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:12 am to Salmon
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it didn't, it just got them moving
I see what yall are saying but other noises should have changed their direction.
I like Darryl but having a motorcycle for transportation seems like a terrible idea.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:14 am to Topwater Trout
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I like Darryl but having a motorcycle for transportation seems like a terrible idea.
Its got a place to be sure. Great gas mileage. Fast. Maneuverable. But zero protection is just too dicey for me. And its noisy as hell.
Its Darryl though. If anyone can ride a chopper safely in the Z.A., its him.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:17 am to glock22josh
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Battle-axes all around FTW
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:17 am to Baloo
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Baloo
Excellent points.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:19 am to Baloo
in their defense they did see a zombie fall on top of her with hundreds swarming. So it was pretty safe to assume she was dead. I wouldn't have gotten out of the truck so save carol's dumbass who got herself trapped like the idiot she is.
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Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:21 am to Topwater Trout
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I have come to the conclusion that Lori is an insufferable count.
someone should beat her to death with kige. i really have a high tolerance for bad characters, but her reaction to rick killing shane was crazy. on the flipside though, she didn't go off the deep end till she heard carl's name. either way, i'm kinda done with that chracter.
Headshot accuracy 100%. i'm not a nitpicker, i take the ride but at one point i was like damn, no one misses ever or even just hits 'em in the chest by accident. nice.
also i liked the rick speech too, with no shane trying to go a different direction or dale's democratic approach, this is a rick-ocracy now.
i didn't think there was any way herschel would make it off the farm. but i'm kind of glad he did. i like his character and at despite his slow start in not accepting that the zombies were just sick, he's done the best job adapting to the situation. i hope he sticks around.
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So the whole time they migrated towards to the farm no other noises drew their attention to go a differnt direction? I find that hard to believe.
i don't have a problem with that at all, in fact, they were going in a different direction and turned around when they heard the rick/shane gunshot.
i thoroughly enjoyed this episode as well as the 2nd half of this season. the 1st half was pretty slow but i'm still entertained.
a couple of questions:
1) have zombies gotten less bite-ier and all ripping people open-er more? it used to be people would get a scratch or a break skin bite, now on first contact zombies are ripping out vocal cords in one bite. this isn't a criticism just an observation.
2) this is just a general ZA question: would cutting off a zombie head kill the zombie? i.e. you'd sever the spinal cord but no brain damage. if the answer is yes then i want highlander sword for the ZA.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:26 am to IPlayedGreatTonight
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Lori is a count and always has been.
Seems to be the general consensus
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:26 am to TDTGodfather
This thread:
I'll take one of these for the ZA:
Or a katana would be great too..
I'll take one of these for the ZA:
Or a katana would be great too..
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:27 am to CocomoLSU
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Those walkers chained to her should've been trying to eat her nonstop, not just standing there like a couple of trained pets.
I hated that, no matter how badass it was supposed to look.
maybe thats why their jaws and arms were missing?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:28 am to coloradoBengal
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The frustration at the idiocy of the group, and even the main characters, early on in this series, actually right up until the last half a dozen episodes I guess, was one of the most engrossing things about the show.
Well said. I just feel like each week this thread turns into a "what they should have done" topic. We need to just skip all the dumb things the characters do and all the things the producers get wrong and move on. Who honestly cares whether or not the shutgun needed to be reloaded or how the herd got to the farm?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:28 am to coloradoBengal
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Honestly... the scenarios where they have been overrun(i.e. the school, Shane/Rick's fight, the farm, when they saved Randall, etc.) no amount of guns would have changed the result really.
An AR-15 with two or three 30 round mags would have helped.Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:32 am to snake23
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the helicopter appeared to be military so does that mean there is some sort of military stronghold of some sort that could provide definite protection?
IIRC in earlier episodes they said they were trying to make it to ft. Benning but it had been overrun.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:33 am to HeadSlash
My thoughts exactly. Even if you just shot there legs off.
Should be some 50 cals laying around somehwere with all the dead soldiers.
Should be some 50 cals laying around somehwere with all the dead soldiers.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:33 am to HeadSlash
am I crazy or in the season preview after episode 1 was there not a shot of a helicopter flying over the group at night?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 10:34 am to parrotdr
Thank God they finally got around to a zombie killfest. If they spent one more episode going over their feelings instead of doing what they should be doing, I was going to lose my mind. Less Days of Our Lives, more Zombieland.
Apparently in the comic book, Shane died much earlier. I'm actually glad they dragged his story out a bit so you could really feel it when Rick finally had to Ol' Yeller him.
Laurie is almost as useless a turd as Carl is. She got all pissy with Rick because she KNOWS that Shane's death is her fault. Her little speech to him is what set the whole event in motion and she knows it. Instead of being adult, she's going to blame Rick. The bitch.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the wrong kid died. Carl should have been thrown to the zombies just for being an annoying little arse and a shitty actor (although he still not Keanu Reeves/McCauley Culkin bad).
I want Herschel's magical shotgun! When I was a kid I took the plug out of my 20-gauge and could put (iirc) a max of 11 shells in it. Unless Hershel can reload and shoot faster than Lee Harvey Oswald, that gun was made of magic because he fired off dozens of shots in a row.
Question: How many people yelled "DRIVE, BITCH! DRIIIIIVE" at Maggie when she and Glenn were getting surrounded?
Driving and Shooting: Really? REALLY!?! Do you know how hard it is to make a single headshot on a moving (albeit, slowly moving) target while in a vehicle moving over uneven terrain? Yet each person made multiple such shots. And why the hell weren't they just using the vehicles to plow over the zombies?
While I enjoyed Andrea playing the part of Rambo Barbie last night, I couldn't help but wonder why she didn't just climb up a tree? They're called "walkers", not "climbers" for a reason.
Zombie-killer w/pet zombies... BAD-arse!!
After thinking about it, Rick did the right thing by not telling the group about everyone being carriers until he knew it for certain. The guy at the CDC was a drumstick or two short of a Full Meal Deal so Rick couldn't just accept his word on faith.
T-Dawg... Does anyone else think it's racist that the only black guy on the show has to have a ghetto-ized name? And WTF was he thinking about heading to the coast? He definitely needs to be a follower and not a leader with that lack of forethought.
The show seems to follow a very generalized version of the comic from what I understand, so next season should be quite badass.
Apparently in the comic book, Shane died much earlier. I'm actually glad they dragged his story out a bit so you could really feel it when Rick finally had to Ol' Yeller him.
Laurie is almost as useless a turd as Carl is. She got all pissy with Rick because she KNOWS that Shane's death is her fault. Her little speech to him is what set the whole event in motion and she knows it. Instead of being adult, she's going to blame Rick. The bitch.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the wrong kid died. Carl should have been thrown to the zombies just for being an annoying little arse and a shitty actor (although he still not Keanu Reeves/McCauley Culkin bad).
I want Herschel's magical shotgun! When I was a kid I took the plug out of my 20-gauge and could put (iirc) a max of 11 shells in it. Unless Hershel can reload and shoot faster than Lee Harvey Oswald, that gun was made of magic because he fired off dozens of shots in a row.
Question: How many people yelled "DRIVE, BITCH! DRIIIIIVE" at Maggie when she and Glenn were getting surrounded?
Driving and Shooting: Really? REALLY!?! Do you know how hard it is to make a single headshot on a moving (albeit, slowly moving) target while in a vehicle moving over uneven terrain? Yet each person made multiple such shots. And why the hell weren't they just using the vehicles to plow over the zombies?
While I enjoyed Andrea playing the part of Rambo Barbie last night, I couldn't help but wonder why she didn't just climb up a tree? They're called "walkers", not "climbers" for a reason.
Zombie-killer w/pet zombies... BAD-arse!!
After thinking about it, Rick did the right thing by not telling the group about everyone being carriers until he knew it for certain. The guy at the CDC was a drumstick or two short of a Full Meal Deal so Rick couldn't just accept his word on faith.
T-Dawg... Does anyone else think it's racist that the only black guy on the show has to have a ghetto-ized name? And WTF was he thinking about heading to the coast? He definitely needs to be a follower and not a leader with that lack of forethought.
The show seems to follow a very generalized version of the comic from what I understand, so next season should be quite badass.
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