re: The Rise of Skywalker was a really jumbled mess

The Last Jedi blows this movie out of the water.

Rise of Skywalker is ridiculously bad.

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The problems were things like space Leia, choosing to make it basically a slapstick comedy, etc. But I was thinking yesterday that the entire movie is different if you just remove Rose and all of her scenes. That takes out the complete waste of time plot of going to that planet for the codebreaker or whatever, so you save about 20-30 minutes of movie right there.

But I really think the movie would have had much more meaning if Finn had sacrificed himself to the cause. It would've been a great arc for that character, and would've hit you in the feels a good bit. But instead we get Rose sabotaging the ENTIRE REBEL FORCE because she wanted a fricking kiss.

The Luke projection stuff didn't bother me as much as some, and while there were some other flaws to the movie, if they just eliminated Rose and everything to do with He also said to expect 6-12 months wait for some appliances.

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I think you hit the nail on the head, eliminate space leia and rose and you've got a pretty fricking solid movie. We really didn't need CGI leia for the rest of the trilogy, she didn't contribute a ton to the story moving forward, IMO.

So, TFA is safe (Although they KILLED HAN SOLO), and TFA took a million (dumb) chances. How do you choose what narrative to follow?

They tried to combine two movies into one based on kinda sorta how JJ Abrams thought the trilogy would play out before Ryan Johnson blew the whole thing up

I like Rise of Skywalker. It doesn't make me angry to watch it, but it has major flaws.

The one thing I did like about The Last Jedi was the idea of doing away with the Sith/Jedi and creating something new that's sort of a balance between the two. I've always wanted to see that topic explored in further detail.

I would have just cut my losses and finished the trilogy based on where TLJ took the series instead of attempting a massive course correction with the final film of the franchise.

Honestly, they would’ve been better off either putting a disclaimer in the crawl that said “yeah, we fricked up, we know. Here’s our best shot at fan service while maintaining some story,” or just act like ROS was a dream and start over.

Here's how you make a third movie that incorporates TLJ despite it being a massive turd:
You force the good guys and bad guys to team up to defeat a larger threat.

What made the clone wars so interesting was that you had one guy playing both sides to weaken them in order to slowly coalesce power until the war was no longer useful to him. Assets were cultivated, molded, and then discarded once no longer useful. All institutions were slowly corrupted and molded to suit his purpose. That's a very relatable tale of how tyranny can infiltrate and corrupt otherwise noble civilizations causing them to devolve into authoritarianism and militarism.

So, let's take a look at where TLJ left the story:
Both sides were essentially wiped out.
The Resistance was down to just a few dozen people with no fleet, and The First Order was "in charge", but there's essentially no government, and most of their forces were also wiped out.

The Galaxy is essentially lawless with no government, heroes, or anything to unite behind or against. There are no jedi, there are no Sith, there is no Emperor, no Snoke, no Senate, and nowhere near enough stormtroopers to keep it all together. Kylo knows he cannot keep things together. Hux's plans have absolutely floundered.

Who is really benefiting? Well, there are three possible groups whom this chaos could be benefitting:

1. The war profiteers we saw on the casino planet that were supplying both the First Order and Resistance who enriched themselves via conflict.

2. An organized crime syndicate of slavers/spice traffickers/coaxium smugglers filling the power vacuum.

3. An external threat to the galaxy which has been plotting an invasion seeking to take advantage of the power vacuum.

Imagine that both sides were somehow being un-knowingly manipulated into this conflict, just like the republic and separatists were. If Snoke was the inside man in the First Order, then who had been filling that role in the Resistance that spurned them on until they were essentially destroyed?

I would imagine that there would be many enemies from Star Wars lore, both previous trilogies, and the animated shows which would make sense as the common enemy Rey and Kylo would need to unite against to defeat. They would each to master their own light and dark sides in order to truly resolve the ark of the Clone Wars and free the galaxy from the endless light/dark pendulum and achieve lasting balance and peace.

TLJ was a shocking deconstruction and subversion of Star Wars tropes, so the real subversion would be to essentially reboot ROTS instead of ROTJ but with balance winning rather than the dark side, and the new alliance bringing lasting, sustainable peace through true unity. Rather than try to simply rehash the OG trilogy, it would actually resolve the overall arcs of BOTH trilogies without completely invalidating the sacrifices of those involved.

However, coming up with a new villain that ties into existing properties and maintains continuity without bringing back the Emperor or turning the entire movie into an explosion-filled fetch quest devoid of any real conflict or character development would simply be too difficult for people as creatively bankrupt as Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams.

I caught some of them on yesterday...in return of the Jedi, when did Lucas add that horrible CGI at Jobba the Hutt's place with the band? shite was terrible and served no purpose at all.

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Hey we need a new big bad, Rian killed off our big bad
Ok guys, I’m out of ideas, just bring back Palpatine and it can be Star Wars Zombie-Mode

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Are you talking about the main storyline are the offshoot series?

We still have Darth Maul and his crime syndicate and it looks like Grand Admiral Thrawn will be a player moving forward in the Ahsoka Tano series.

If you are speaking of "What's next?" after ROS then I would like to see a slow build with the Jedi Order being restored with the inclusion of any Jedi Knights that may have been in hiding. I would like to see a complete restoration of the Republic with a slow rise of a new bad dude.

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We still have Darth Maul and his crime syndicate

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Maul was killed by Obi-Wan in "Star Wars Rebels" years before the Battle of Yavin. Maul can only be a player in series or movies set prior to the OG trilogy, such as in "Solo".

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looks like Grand Admiral Thrawn will be a player moving forward in the Ahsoka Tano series

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Thrawn and Ezra Bridger were alive at the end of "Rebels', Ahsoka mentioned them in "The Mandalorian", and so my guess is that her search for them will be a big deal in coming properties.