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re: The Remake of Dune
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:29 am to Philzilla2k
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:29 am to Philzilla2k
Kind of makes the point that you can't make Dune in one movie, now doesn't it?
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Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:07 am to Centinel
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Kind of makes the point that you can't make Dune in one movie, now doesn't it?
Not really,, stuff that was ignored should have been in the first film. Yueh, Halleck, Thufir is all shite that was left out of the first film, that will now have no resonance if it’s included in the second film. It’s a huge misstep and indicates a complete misunderstanding of the themes of the book. Thufir, Halleck and Yueh are all incredibly important characters in Paul’s development.
Which, btw, Lynch was able to include.
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:39 am to Centinel
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First off, Villeneuve said he would only do the film in two parts, because it's impossible to do the story credit in one film. And he's absolutely correct.
IMO.. the only way to even remotely capture the nuances of the political intrigue in video is the make the 1st book a 3 part film... I don't think we will ever see a studio take on that type of project...
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:46 am to Dawgirl
quote:no one gives a shite about your opinion.
It’s not a remake, dummy. You do realize it’s a book, right?
Of course you idiot. The remake doesnt follow the books.
quote:just show us your tits.
Dawgirl
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:50 am to CatholicLSUDude
quote:i like superhearo movies..... and i loved Dune. way to be wrong.
I’m pretty sure people who don’t like this movie have had their appetites spoiled by a decade of excruciatingly loud and stupid super hero movies made for kids with ADD who forgot to take their medicine.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:52 am to Dawgirl
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Of course you idiot. The remake doesnt follow the books.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 10:16 am to Dawgirl
IMHO...it is an honest attempt to tell one of the greatest Science Fiction stories ever told. When I was a kid, my older brother introduced me to the book. He loved science fiction, and actually met some of the giants like Ray Bradbury and Robert Asprin. It still blows me away that this book was written in 1965. It is amazing the number of epic science fiction stories that were influenced by it.
My brother (who would have turned 60 today) passed away in September after a long illness. I wish he would have lived long enough to have seen this version (and the upcoming second part).
My brother (who would have turned 60 today) passed away in September after a long illness. I wish he would have lived long enough to have seen this version (and the upcoming second part).
Posted on 1/28/22 at 10:19 am to Dawgirl
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I am into 1 1/2 hours of this so called remake and it sucks
good thing your opinion doesn't count
Posted on 1/28/22 at 11:10 am to Dawgirl
I know nothing about the books, previous movies, etc. I know nothing about Dune, but I absolutely loved this fricking movie. I'd say it's the best movie of 2021. Can't wait for the future ones.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 11:20 am to Dawgirl
The new one just wasn't interesting to me. The scenes left out from the earlier version were needed. No guild navigators threatening the Emperor? Major flaw.
I will continue to watch the older one every time it comes on. I doubt I ever rewatch the new one unless it's right before part two comes out.
I will continue to watch the older one every time it comes on. I doubt I ever rewatch the new one unless it's right before part two comes out.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 12:47 pm to Dawgirl
TRIGGER WARNING
It's significantly better than Blade Runner 2049.
It's significantly better than Blade Runner 2049.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:15 pm to Scoob
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oh, it definitely looks great
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I think it's a fun film, but I knew the plot and understood a few things that didn't get expressed clearly this time around. You just don't get the level of treachery of Dr Yueh's betrayal here. It seems like the Atreides were lax on security, when in fact what happened was considered impossible. There are other points that I won't bother to dig up now... the main gist is that this film seems to have been made specifically for people who already knew the big picture. In that light, it's great.
But I took the original tale as a very complex political mechinations and intrigue, where if you don't know any better, this film is pretty simple.
+1
The narration at the beginning of the first movie was necessary to get the viewer up to speed on what was happening and why. The new version lacked a solid enough introduction, almost as if they were relying on movie-goers to have read the books or watched the previous movie.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:34 pm to Bard
All I know is zendaya killed it in those slow motion dream sequences…all 50 of them
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:32 pm to Bard
quote:Exactly. This movie is a FANTASTIC companion piece, but it doesn't tell you what's going on.
The narration at the beginning of the first movie was necessary to get the viewer up to speed on what was happening and why. The new version lacked a solid enough introduction, almost as if they were relying on movie-goers to have read the books or watched the previous movie.
In contrast, take LOTR. You can come in cold, watch the movies, and get a strong idea about what's going on, and why. If you read the books afterwards, you do recognize the changes made, but understand why (almost all additional info from the books are left out of the movies for time purposes, other than the death of Saruman clearly). Tom Bombadil and the Old Forest, and the Conspiracy in the Shire at the beginning, is nice filler, but not essential to the overall plot of Sauron corrupting and taking over everything, or how the Ring works.
With this Dune, without a primer filling in the blanks, it's a beautiful scifi action film. Action and visuals, with very little to explain spice, politics, etc.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 2:53 pm to Philzilla2k
In fairness, I think this book could easily take up a season of ten hours on HBO if DV or someone else talented enough to do it justice went that route. That’s literally how much there could be to cover from just the first book. Obviously, a three hour movie is gonna have to leave many good things out, and we are even arguing over things being left out in DV’s version, which will end up being about six hours after two movies. I don’t think it should factor in a rating for what is otherwise a great film. It’s just how it is when you only have so film time compared to the book.
Also, a couple of interviews after it released(Jason Momoa I think) mentioned that DV had probably six or seven hours of filmed footage, so we didn’t even get to see 3 or 4 hours of stuff he filmed. Momoa said there was a really awesome scene that didn’t make it that was originally gonna start the film off with a bang, when Duncan first goes to arrakis and he does some kind of high altitude jump from close to orbit to land and immerse himself into the fremen(I think the reasoning was that he couldn’t travel and land traditionally because the harkonnens hadn’t fully left yet) but mostly it was just supposed to be an exhilarating scene to start the movie.
I’m hoping when it’s all said and done that maybe we will get an ultimate directors cut because there’s definitely hours of unseen, finished footage. If anything, DV had such an impact on this universe and how he envisioned things like the ornithopter, shield tech, spacecraft, and the great Houses that anyone that comes after him will likely keep his style in place in building a singular universe. It’s not unlike how the original Star Wars was so impactful even to this day
Also, a couple of interviews after it released(Jason Momoa I think) mentioned that DV had probably six or seven hours of filmed footage, so we didn’t even get to see 3 or 4 hours of stuff he filmed. Momoa said there was a really awesome scene that didn’t make it that was originally gonna start the film off with a bang, when Duncan first goes to arrakis and he does some kind of high altitude jump from close to orbit to land and immerse himself into the fremen(I think the reasoning was that he couldn’t travel and land traditionally because the harkonnens hadn’t fully left yet) but mostly it was just supposed to be an exhilarating scene to start the movie.
I’m hoping when it’s all said and done that maybe we will get an ultimate directors cut because there’s definitely hours of unseen, finished footage. If anything, DV had such an impact on this universe and how he envisioned things like the ornithopter, shield tech, spacecraft, and the great Houses that anyone that comes after him will likely keep his style in place in building a singular universe. It’s not unlike how the original Star Wars was so impactful even to this day
This post was edited on 1/28/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/28/22 at 3:19 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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I’m pretty sure people who don’t like this movie have had their appetites spoiled by a decade of excruciatingly loud and stupid super hero movies made for kids with ADD who forgot to take their medicine.
I think thats cinema in a nutshell these days
Those movies are too easy to make, and every one of them does a billion dollars.
but you'll get downvoted to hell for bringing it up on this forum
Posted on 1/28/22 at 5:19 pm to Dawgirl
quote:maybe you just suck
of this so called remake and it sucks.
Film was great, and it isn't a remake.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 10:44 pm to SEClint
Let's talk, briefly, about how casting has changed in the past four decades. I do not remember decades ago, fans of a particular star complaining because that star didn't have enough minutes in a movie.
Enter social media where every fan has an opinion that MUST be heard.
Zendaya's fans complained about her few minutes and TPTB assured them that her part in Part 2 would be larger.
Did this movie need her fans to get the ticket sales up? Or is this the future: cast according to actors' Q.
Enter social media where every fan has an opinion that MUST be heard.
Zendaya's fans complained about her few minutes and TPTB assured them that her part in Part 2 would be larger.
Did this movie need her fans to get the ticket sales up? Or is this the future: cast according to actors' Q.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 1:46 am to Dawgirl
The original film wins points for having the ABSOLUTE BRASS BALLS to attempt a film depiction of a guild navigator folding space with 80s film technology. I mean holy shite, the new movie didn't even bother trying to do that. Just POOF they're on Arrakis.
Anyway it was definitely not a perfect film, and the 80s version did several things better. For example, my wife thought Spice was some kind of drug or something, they really whiffed at showing just how important it is, how it is absolutely essential to their entire civilization. In the 80s film the Baron goes on his famous HE WHO CONTROLS THE SPICE CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE! rant so the audience literally cannot miss what a big deal it is.
Meanwhile in the new film Col Kurtz could only bitch about how expensive it was to bring down Atreides and tell his nephew to hurry up and make him his money back. The final scene with Leto he's just looking like Fat Brando and not really having much emotion, while the 80s version was clearly quite giddy to have Leto right where he wanted.
Also the 80s is full of unintentional humor and character moments that the new version lacks. It's a good film, gorgeous and well-made, but it's kind of sterile. Duncan stands out because he feels less like a set piece and more like a person, something most of the other characters lack.
Anyway i enjoyed it, but I cant pretend it was flawless.
Anyway it was definitely not a perfect film, and the 80s version did several things better. For example, my wife thought Spice was some kind of drug or something, they really whiffed at showing just how important it is, how it is absolutely essential to their entire civilization. In the 80s film the Baron goes on his famous HE WHO CONTROLS THE SPICE CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE! rant so the audience literally cannot miss what a big deal it is.
Meanwhile in the new film Col Kurtz could only bitch about how expensive it was to bring down Atreides and tell his nephew to hurry up and make him his money back. The final scene with Leto he's just looking like Fat Brando and not really having much emotion, while the 80s version was clearly quite giddy to have Leto right where he wanted.
Also the 80s is full of unintentional humor and character moments that the new version lacks. It's a good film, gorgeous and well-made, but it's kind of sterile. Duncan stands out because he feels less like a set piece and more like a person, something most of the other characters lack.
Anyway i enjoyed it, but I cant pretend it was flawless.
Posted on 1/29/22 at 5:46 am to GetEmTigers08
quote:I think that's the best way to do a complex story; and now with the budgets you can get on those, it's as likely to be "epic" as a true "movie".
In fairness, I think this book could easily take up a season of ten hours on HBO if DV or someone else talented enough to do it justice went that route.
quote:That goes back to my "it looks great, but doesn't tell the story" comment.
Also, a couple of interviews after it released(Jason Momoa I think) mentioned that DV had probably six or seven hours of filmed footage, so we didn’t even get to see 3 or 4 hours of stuff he filmed. Momoa said there was a really awesome scene that didn’t make it that was originally gonna start the film off with a bang, when Duncan first goes to arrakis and he does some kind of high altitude jump from close to orbit to land and immerse himself into the fremen(I think the reasoning was that he couldn’t travel and land traditionally because the harkonnens hadn’t fully left yet) but mostly it was just supposed to be an exhilarating scene to start the movie.
This film is full of great, GENERIC action scenes. The issue some people have, is it isn't telling the story as deeply as it could be. As we've already seen it could be. Some folks choose to downvote that point of view, that's fine.
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