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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:08 pm to dawgfan24348
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Paradox? Anne Hathaway's character was on the planet setting up the fertilized eggs and setting up new home.
Can't be them alone, since someone had to open that wormhole in the first place for that to happen.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:10 pm to OMLandshark
True, uhm shite 
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:13 pm to OMLandshark
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If they're fifth dimensional beings, then the simple concept of them being fifth dimensional beings answers the question. Fifth dimensional beings live simultaneously through all times and possible realities. Therefore it doesn't really need to be addressed. The point of it being fifth dimensional beings is to show humanity's true ultimate potential, and it is shockingly feasible hundreds of thousands if not millions of years from now that it may be possible.
But the paradox is right, the human race must survive for them to become "fifth dimensional beings," in the first place.
The movie doesn't point to aliens or robots, so that isn't the answer. The whole film revolves around "this human race" surviving. But they can't survive if they haven't already survived.
If it wanted to point at some other beings, then that's fine, but it didn't do that.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:13 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Completely agree.
relies a lot on getting emotion out of some extremely cliched moments (outside of MM watching his children age on video, very well done there).
quote:I partly agree with this, but that segment was necessary in a way to set up the docking scene.
The Matt Damon sequence was a massive waste of time
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:16 pm to Freauxzen
quote:It didn't not do that, though. I don't think it ever said definitively that the 5th-dimensional beings were human.
If it wanted to point at some other beings, then that's fine, but it didn't do that.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:21 pm to Freauxzen
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But the paradox is right, the human race must survive for them to become "fifth dimensional beings," in the first place.
Nope, they only have to survive in one reality, and if the blight never occurs in a given reality, then they still exist.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:23 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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It didn't not do that, though. I don't think it ever said definitively that the 5th-dimensional beings were human.
But it DID point to humans, they repeated, "Us" and "We" did this. And that's fine, but if that's the case then the movie makes no sense.
If it ISN'T humans that survived or sent the message, then the overall theme falls apart.
I don't know if Nolan meant it as a point of mystery, but then what it comes down to is a giant contrivance.
"Beings" did this "thing" that allowed humans to "survive." They aren't bound by any "rules."
I mean, that doesn't seem a little convenient?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:23 pm to OMLandshark
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But the paradox is right, the human race must survive for them to become "fifth dimensional beings," in the first place.
Nope, they only have to survive in one reality, and if the blight never occurs in a given reality, then they still exist.
Why are we talking about other realities? That has nothing to do with the movie. If this were Fringe sure, but Fringe this ain't.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:29 pm to rebeloke
So I saw it a second time tonight at IMAX.
I am incredibly glad I saw it in a regular theater first and IMAX second. The first time was spent understanding the plot, deciphering the science. The second one, soaking in the cinematography and score. (good Lord Zimmer killed so many scenes, did not catch it the first time)
Upon second viewing, this movie lines up with Lost for me. I will probably be crucified for this statement as the two shows are nothing alike.
One of my all time favorite series that had a beautiful ending that I could not reconcile in the entire scope of the work. 4th and 5th dimension felt like the Purgatory of Lost. It was just a misplaced moment that made a beautiful story have a little "Hunh" at the end that blemished my overall view of an otherwise brilliant movie/TV show. It just feels like it did not answer in a thought provoking way, but pulled on emotions/an illogical answer instead.
Lost is my favorite TV show and Interstellar is probably in the top 10 overall and most likely favorite SciFi movie ever.
I am incredibly glad I saw it in a regular theater first and IMAX second. The first time was spent understanding the plot, deciphering the science. The second one, soaking in the cinematography and score. (good Lord Zimmer killed so many scenes, did not catch it the first time)
Upon second viewing, this movie lines up with Lost for me. I will probably be crucified for this statement as the two shows are nothing alike.
One of my all time favorite series that had a beautiful ending that I could not reconcile in the entire scope of the work. 4th and 5th dimension felt like the Purgatory of Lost. It was just a misplaced moment that made a beautiful story have a little "Hunh" at the end that blemished my overall view of an otherwise brilliant movie/TV show. It just feels like it did not answer in a thought provoking way, but pulled on emotions/an illogical answer instead.
Lost is my favorite TV show and Interstellar is probably in the top 10 overall and most likely favorite SciFi movie ever.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:35 pm to OMLandshark
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Can't be them alone, since someone had to open that wormhole in the first place for that to happen.
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But the paradox is right, the human race must survive for them to become "fifth dimensional beings," in the first place.
The only reason there is a perceived temporal paradox is because people continue to think of time in a linear fashion.
The primary message of the third act is that time is a spatial, physical dimension with all coordinates existing concurrently. As three dimensional beings, humanity can only perceive time in a casual, linear fashion. In an XYZ coordinate system every coordinate simply exists within those dimensions at all times. For five dimensional beings employing an XYZTQ coordinate system, time functions as any other spatial coordinate.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:37 pm to Cs
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The primary message of the third act is that time is a spatial, physical dimension with all coordinates existing concurrently. As three dimensional beings, humanity can only perceive time in a casual, linear fashion. In an XYZ coordinate system every coordinate simply exists within those dimensions at all times.
People don't seem to have an issue with this.
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For five dimensional beings employing an XYZTQ coordinate system, time functions as any other spatial coordinate.
This is the issue.
Who are they?
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:39 pm to Freauxzen
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Why are we talking about other realities? That has nothing to do with the movie. If this were Fringe sure, but Fringe this ain't.
When you mention the fifth dimension, that brings up other realities by default.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:42 pm to Freauxzen
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Who are they?
Humanity that has evolved to their highest form.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:44 pm to OMLandshark
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Humanity that has evolved to their highest form.
but how did they evolve there before...?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:45 pm to OMLandshark
I'm guessing you really believe in that shite in real life
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:47 pm to Freauxzen
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This i the issue.
Who are they?
The film explicitly reveals that "they" are "us", or humanity existing at an ambiguous temporal coordinate.
If you're given specific coordinates in an XYZ plane that you can't access or perceive, you don't conclude that those spatial coordinates don't exist. They just exist, and proximal points in space have no bearing on the existence of those coordinates - everything just is.
Humans in the film still perceive everything in three dimensions, as they still view time as a casual chain of events, and not just "existing" as a physical dimension by which all temporal coordinates exist concurrently.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:48 pm to OMLandshark
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Why are we talking about other realities? That has nothing to do with the movie. If this were Fringe sure, but Fringe this ain't.
When you mention the fifth dimension, that brings up other realities by default.
But the movie is not about "being saved," by a super-advanced race of beings who can get around the laws of physics as we know it because they exist in more dimensions.
The movie makes out to be about the human race's pure grit to survive, the will to explore, the desire to live and "find a way." The film makes survival a primary theme, not "race of super beings."
In that understanding the film comes down to some advanced race of beings, not humans, caring enough about ants in some other dimension to give them wormholes and tesseracts hoping that they can figure it all out for absolutely no reason.
It undermines the themes. It can be about that, mind you, but then it's less evocative, and kind of cheap.
The film makes far more sense if those "beings" are these humans, but then the conflicted narrative raises it's ugly head.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:51 pm to Cs
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The film explicitly reveals that "they" are "us", or humanity existing at an ambiguous temporal coordinate.
There is no "us," if we don't get off the planet.
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If you're given specific coordinates in an XYZ plane that you can't access or perceive, you don't conclude that those spatial coordinates don't exist. They just exist, and proximal points in space have no bearing on the existence of those coordinates - everything just is.
Humans in the film still perceive everything in three dimensions, as they still view time as a casual chain of events, and not just "existing" as a physical dimension by which all temporal coordinates exist concurrently.
No planet = No humans = No future humans = No wormhole
The "beings" MUST NOT be human for the story to make any sense. But that's a problem as well.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:53 pm to Freauxzen
Do you not understand alternate timelines and realities?
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