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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/8/14 at 11:26 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 11/8/14 at 11:26 pm to athenslife101
So...his brother then
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Posted on 11/8/14 at 11:33 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
quote:I'm not sure what is being argued, but this is exactly how I see it.
Cooper sent Murph the data that Tars collected from the singularity which was deemed impossible to retrieve. This data related to how time is viewed. Caine's character omitted time as part of his equation, thus he thought the solved equation was worthless. By adding time in and the data from the singularity to the equation, their problem was solved.
Caine solved his equation years ago, but it was meaningless. He lied to everyone stating once he solved it, Plan A would be viable, but the whole time he was Plan B. Once TARS got the data from the singularity, relayed to Chastain from MM, the NEW gravity equation was solved.
If the writer(s) are saying something different now, it wasn't in the movie that I saw.
Posted on 11/8/14 at 11:58 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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I promise! In my mind, the wormhole was there, and McConaughey was traveling through it to Hathaway's planet/colony. The end.
did they say the wormhole wasn't there? Why else would the leader of the new world* (Cooper's daughter) send him to the other planet?
Maybe not leader, but savior.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:04 am to Napoleon
I assume wormhole was still there, thats why they built a space station next to it
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 12:05 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:07 am to RollTide1987
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Insomnia, Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, or The Dark Knight Rises?
His batman movies don't count. (he is stuck to a pre defined universe, story, etc. In those movies he doesn't have the creative freedom, he does in Inception, Memento, Prestige etc.)
Inception had a very clean ambiguous ending, so did this movie.
It's been so long since I've seen memento I don't even remember. But for some reason I remember people arguing wether people manipulated him because of his short term memory problems or if what was happening to him was really true. edit: the more I'm thinking about this film the more I remember. There was a question whether he was being manipulated, whether he was correct about the Murder, etc. etc.
My simple point on memento is that he is trying to provoke thought in the viewer. Clearly this ending did it, so I think Chris Nolan's point is that he didn't want to make it clear what would happen after he left the ship and went after the girl.
But from what I've seen from Nola, he makes movies to provoke thought, not just entertain the viewer. If he is really doing this than the end provoked my thought and many other people.
That was not a mistake as some people suggested. It was purposefully left open, to let the view ask, would he have made it?
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 12:19 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:26 am to catholictigerfan
Nerdgasm
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How Interstellar’s Black Hole Led To An Actual Scientific Discovery
This story was originally published on Universe Today by Matt Williams as “The Physics Behind ‘Interstellar’s’ Visual Effects Was So Good, it Led to a Scientific Discovery.”
While he was working on the film Interstellar, executive producer Kip Thorne was tasked with creating the black hole that would be central to the plot. As a theoretical physicist, he also wanted to create something that was truly realistic and as close to the real thing as movie-goers would ever see.
On the other hand, Christopher Nolan – the film’s director – wanted to create something that would be a visually-mesmerizing experience. As you can see from the image above, they certainly succeeded as far as the aesthetics were concerned. But even more impressive was how the creation of this fictitious black hole led to an actual scientific discovery.
In short, in order to accurately create a visual for the story’s black hole, Kip Thorne produced an entirely new set of equations which guided the special effects team’s rendering software. The end result was a visual representation that accurately depicts what a wormhole/black hole would look like in space.
This was no easy task, since black holes (as the name suggests) suck in all light around them, warp space and time, and are invisible to all but X-ray telescopes (due to the bursts of energy they periodically emit). But after a year of work by 30 people and thousands of computers, Thorne and the movie’s special effects team managed to create something entirely realistic.
Relying entirely on known scientific principles, the black hole appears to spin at nearly the speed of light, dragging bits of the universe along with it. Based on the idea that it was once a star that collapsed into a singularity, the hole forms a glowing ring that orbits around a spheroidal maelstrom of light, which seems to curve over the top and under the bottom simultaneously.
To simulate the accretion disk, the special effects team generated a flat, multicolored ring and positioned it around their spinning black hole. Then something very weird and inspiring happened.
“We found that warping space around the black hole also warps the accretion disk,” explained Paul Franklin, a senior supervisor of Academy Award-winning effects house Double Negative. “So rather than looking like Saturn’s rings around a black sphere, the light creates this extraordinary halo.”
The Double Negative team thought it must be a bug in the renderer. But Thorne realized that they had correctly modeled a phenomenon inherent in the math he’d supplied.
“This is our observational data,” he said of the movie’s visualizations. “That’s the way nature behaves. Period.” Thorne also stated that he thinks he can get at least two published articles out of it.
But more important than that is the fact that Thorne, a thoroughgoing scientist and lover of the mysteries of space and physics, has a chance to show a mass audience some real, accurate science.
The movie premiers in North America on November 7th.
Christopher Nolan and Kip Thorne explain the science behind creating the movie’s black hole.
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:29 am to catholictigerfan
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In those movies he doesn't have the creative freedom, he does in Inception, Memento, Prestige etc.
Warner Bros. gave Nolan total creative control when he signed on to do Batman Begins.
But even if we were to not count the Batman movies, you still have Following, Memento, Insomnia and The Prestige - all of which end unambiguously. Inception is the only film that has an ambiguous ending.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:07 am to RollTide1987
Did this movie end ambiguously?
Yeah, there's food for thought to piece together some of it. Especially in a chicken/egg type of aspect.
IMO - saw it today first time - I think the vague ending would have been MM floating in the singularity eyes closing and sees an image of someone possibly breaking the event horizon. End movie there would have been my choice.
Yeah, there's food for thought to piece together some of it. Especially in a chicken/egg type of aspect.
IMO - saw it today first time - I think the vague ending would have been MM floating in the singularity eyes closing and sees an image of someone possibly breaking the event horizon. End movie there would have been my choice.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:09 am to drizztiger
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End movie there would have been my choice.
Honestly, I agree
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:33 am to Byron Bojangles III
I don't know if I would end it there, but if anything keeps the movie to be one of the all time greats, it's the chosen path of plot after that point.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 1:36 am to Patrick_Bateman
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But, little by little, as I discussed it with people, and as I watched the movies again, all my questions were ultimately answered.
I still need help answering this question...
To save the human race, we needed our evolved descendants to open this wormhole near us to escape to another galaxy.
How did they do that in the first place? Wouldn't humans have just died off since they never would have been able to get access to a wormhole in the first place, travel across the galaxy, and then evolve millions of years later to then operate in all 5 dimensions (time and space not being linear) to save humans?
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 1:38 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:26 am to Ancient Rome
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How did they do that in the first place?
Will never be answered
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:41 am to Byron Bojangles III
I've had a hard time trying to decide how exactly the movie should've ended. The Hathaway ending was decent I thought but ended somewhat abruptly.
Before seeing the movie, I certainly didn't expect Cooper to reunite with Murph in her 80s.
Before seeing the movie, I certainly didn't expect Cooper to reunite with Murph in her 80s.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:47 am to ladytiger118
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Before seeing the movie, I certainly didn't expect Cooper to reunite with Murph in her 80s.
I had a problem with Murph telling her dad "this is my family let me spend time with them and you GTFO". like people that's your 124 year old grandpa and great grandpa that saved human existence and they just ignored him.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:28 am to RollTide1987
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you still have Following, Memento, Insomnia and The Prestige - all of which end unambiguously. Inception is the only film that has an ambiguous ending.
his goal is not to give it an unambiguous ending rather to provoke thought. See what I said about provoking thought in Memento he did that. Haven't seen insomnia or the following. I have to go back and watch the prestige but I'm sure it provoked thought as well.
Inception provoked thought by leaving the ending open
so did this one.
Again my point is that I don't think we assume anything about the worm hole because, 1) wasn't shown in the movie, 2) goes against Chris' tendency to provoke thought in movies. If the viewer knows that he wouldn't make it, than he isn't thinking after that movie is over as much as he likes to. It couldn't be clearer that Chris Nolan wanted the viewer to go out thinking at the end of that movie. He did that in me.
I was wrong to think he only did open endings at the end. He is all about provoking thought about his movies not just to entertain the viewer. I almost want to go see it a second time to get a deeper understanding of the movie. It was the same with inception, and the same with memento. I'm not so sure it was the same with prestige.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:29 am to ladytiger118
quote:
I've had a hard time trying to decide how exactly the movie should've ended. The Hathaway ending was decent I thought but ended somewhat abruptly.
Nolan did that on purpose and I thought it was brilliant.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:32 am to drizztiger
quote:
IMO - saw it today first time - I think the vague ending would have been MM floating in the singularity eyes closing and sees an image of someone possibly breaking the event horizon. End movie there would have been my choice.
Highly disagree. The only ending that could have happened in this movie is a tearful reunion with his daughter. I had little doubt that Cooper would survive the black hole simply because of his promise to his daughter.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:34 am to Ancient Rome
quote:
I still need help answering this question...
To save the human race, we needed our evolved descendants to open this wormhole near us to escape to another galaxy.
How did they do that in the first place? Wouldn't humans have just died off since they never would have been able to get access to a wormhole in the first place, travel across the galaxy, and then evolve millions of years later to then operate in all 5 dimensions (time and space not being linear) to save humans?
I'm not sure what you call this but I actually think this is somehow a paradox thing or something.
Pretty much, it is necessitated that the humans would do this in the future because it happened in the past. I think the theory goes, Cooper when in the black hole (which he apparently created or something) knocked over books, put lines in the dust, caused the watch to do funny things. It was necessitated that he do those actions because it happened in the past, and if he didn't do it in the future he wouldn't have been there to do it. It's hard to wrap your head around, but it's simply the idea that the future is necessitated by the past. So it doesn't really matter how the humans will open the wormhole, create that thing in the blackhole, by the fact that it is already there necessitates that it will happen again in the future.
Wikipedia article on this bellow
LINK
Now If time travel was possible I don't know if this would actually be true or not, but I think it's reasonable Nolan had this in mind when making this film.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 7:43 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:39 am to RollTide1987
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Warner Bros. gave Nolan total creative control when he signed on to do Batman Begins.
I'm sure he did.
But the batman universe exists by itself separate from the mind of Christopher Nolan. He can't do anything that violates that universe.
Inception, Memento, Prestige, intersteller, are movies completely in the mind of Christopher Nolan, meaning he has COMPLETE freedom to do what he wants with those universes (so to speak) he has created in his mind.
By the very nature of the Batman movies he is set to a predefined universe.
I'll try to explain it clear
In inception, Nolan is bound by no rules other than what he can show on screen, and come up with on his own
In the Dark Knight he is bound by many rules, certain Characters must be in the movie, Batman must be a certain type of Character, the villains the same. Nola can't have unambiguous stuff in these movies because it would go against these pre set rules so to speak. That is why I say they don't count.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:08 am to Ancient Rome
quote:No one knows how "they" got there. We only know that they did.
To save the human race, we needed our evolved descendants to open this wormhole near us to escape to another galaxy.
How did they do that in the first place?
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