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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:54 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:54 pm to The Pirate King
explain it to us
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:56 pm to Freauxzen
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There is no "us," if we don't get off the planet.
You're still thinking of time in a linear, causal fashion, and not as a dimension that just exists.
Look around and pick out an arbitrary point in space somewhere around you. It exists, and all of the points in space within a 1 millimeter radius have no bearing on the existence of that specific XYZ coordinate that you selected.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:56 pm to The Pirate King
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Do you not understand alternate timelines and realities?
Do you not understand a deus ex machina?
I completely get that this movie CAN be about some alternate timeline humans with unimaginable power caring enough about these humans and saving them.
I get it.
But then the movie becomes a load of crap.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:57 pm to Cs
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You're still thinking of time in a linear, causal fashion, and not as a dimension that just exists.
Look around and pick out an arbitrary point in space somewhere around you. It exists, and all of the points in space within a 1 millimeter radius have no bearing on the existence of that specific XYZ coordinate that you selected.
You keep talking about science, this is about narrative.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:58 pm to Freauxzen
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You keep talking about science, this is about narrative.
The narrative explicitly discusses this.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:02 pm to Cs
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The narrative explicitly discusses this.
Again, the science has nothing to do with this. Or buying "the science."
What I mean is that the "Yes I understand what you are saying, but if that is the case, then this movie falls apart and the narrative fails. It becomes a cheap exercise in convenient plot devices by way of unimaginably powered beings."
The movie has very little meaning if survival is nullified. It is then about being saved, not saving ourselves.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:03 pm to Freauxzen
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It is then about being saved, not saving yourselves.
Oddly, it's about both.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:04 pm to Cs
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Oddly, it's about both.
And therefore, nothing.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 11:17 pm to Freauxzen
Just got out an hour ago. I don't know about the arguments for the structure of the conclusion, but as far as pulling me in, it definitely succeeded. I usually don't get too emotional during movies, but I bawled my eyes out multiple times throughout.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 11:24 pm to DestrehanTiger
Just got out. Very good. It almost lost me during the bookcase dimension, but it caught up pretty well. I enjoyed it and thought the acting was top notch throughout.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 11:38 pm to Freauxzen
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It is nowhere near as important/influential as 2001, fwiw.
I didn't say it was - it is a clear homage, however, and a well-done one at that.
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Those comparisons should stop.
Meh. The films are comparable - Nolan is a top tier filmmaker - he's never going to be Stanley Kubrick, but from a pure film making standpoint, who is even close? D.W. Griffith? Orson Welles? Lynch?
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It takes forever to start.
I'm not going to deny it was a little slow coming out of the blocks, but the movie didn't feel like 3 hours to me, so it made it up somewhere.
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It aimed higher than Inception, but it's about as good
Again, meh. I think it stands on its own - Inception was a great heist film - this is a great space/time exploration film.
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which is definitely better than 90% of films out there
I'd say 95%
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but it's just missing some umph.
I can't imagine what that would be? More characters? More explosions?
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It is nowhere near as important/influential as 2001, fwiw.
But that's impossible - in the realm of influential space/sci-fi films - 2001 will always be #1 - and Forbidden Planet, Alien and Star Wars will form the next tier - virtually every film from the late 70s on is some derivative - (maybe Silent Running slips in there, too, although not as obviously as those other 4, and of, course Star Trek - The Original Series).
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Where Interstellar is a rather pedestrian father/daughter story told through the lens of complex science,
Good stories can be simple if executed well - as this was. Simple doesn't mean pedestrian - heck, Memento is a fairly simple story, complicated by the main character's inability to remember it.
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2001 is literally ABOUT evolution itself and every frame of the film is specifically constructed to talk about it.
Most of the scenes in Interstellar invoked memories of 2001 for me - it clearly echoes it. I'm not saying Interstellar is telling the identical story, but they share many, many elements.
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Solid 3/4.
Best science fiction movie I've seen in years - probably since Moon so 4/4 for me.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 12:04 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 12:23 am to rebeloke
HOLY CRAP.
This movie has been what I've been waiting for.
Such a great movie on all aspects, acting, visuals, plot, editing, score, characters, action, science...all around.
Man.
What a cool story too.
Great nods to 2001 too!
I wonder if I can list them all?
A couple of the space docking scenes.
Some of the rotation angles in the ship.
The robot is the same dimensions as the monolith.
The wormhole is where the monolith is in 2001 (book).
The joke about HAL to the robot.
The cut scene of him speeding off to him being in space.
All great. And here's the deal, I understood every lick of it. And it was sweet sciencey fiction.
This is Nolan's best. Even tighter knit than Prestige.
OK...Now I need to calm my nerves and read this thread.
This movie has been what I've been waiting for.
Such a great movie on all aspects, acting, visuals, plot, editing, score, characters, action, science...all around.
Man.
What a cool story too.
Great nods to 2001 too!
I wonder if I can list them all?
A couple of the space docking scenes.
Some of the rotation angles in the ship.
The robot is the same dimensions as the monolith.
The wormhole is where the monolith is in 2001 (book).
The joke about HAL to the robot.
The cut scene of him speeding off to him being in space.
All great. And here's the deal, I understood every lick of it. And it was sweet sciencey fiction.
This is Nolan's best. Even tighter knit than Prestige.
OK...Now I need to calm my nerves and read this thread.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:00 am to Freauxzen
You guys didn't listen correctly.
He said "It's us." meaning the 5th dimensional beings, then began to lay out what he meant by that. He meant that he helping his daughter was the same thing as what they are doing by having him tell his daughter.
It wasn't mankind or descendants of mankind, it was message senders he was saying was "us".
He said "It's us." meaning the 5th dimensional beings, then began to lay out what he meant by that. He meant that he helping his daughter was the same thing as what they are doing by having him tell his daughter.
It wasn't mankind or descendants of mankind, it was message senders he was saying was "us".
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 1:03 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:09 am to rebeloke
That movie was life changing.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:27 am to Freauxzen
quote:I absolutely hate it when writers add characters whose purpose is to contrast the motives of the protagonist and to show a different perspective of the human condition. shite like that is such a waste of time /s
The Matt Damon sequence was a massive waste of time,
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 6:32 am
Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:35 am to jeff5891
Wasn't the point of the Matt Damon scenes to show that it's not always best to trust data and probabilities? Amelia's instinct was to go with love and Miller. Cooper's was to go with the odds and Mann. Amelia was right and Cooper was wrong.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:37 am to jeff5891
I really liked the Matt Damon sequence. It showed us the will to survive on a personal level. We know the species was on the brink of extinction, what about the individual. It was a great parallel to Dad-Brand's plan of no return mission. They covered every aspect of survival in this film. They had to show this if they showed species and familial struggle to survive. Hence the expositionary speeches by many of the characters.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:28 am to Pectus
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I really liked the Matt Damon sequence. It showed us the will to survive on a personal level. We know the species was on the brink of extinction, what about the individual. It was a great parallel to Dad-Brand's plan of no return mission. They covered every aspect of survival in this film. They had to show this if they showed species and familial struggle to survive. Hence the expositionary speeches by many of the characters.
yes Dr. Mann played a very important role in this movie.
You have Dr. Cooper vs Dr. Mann's mentality.
1) Dr. Mann had this mindset that it was survival of the fittest so to speak. Meaning My goal is to survive I don't care how I do I'm going to survive. He doesn't care about others and only himself. He has the opposite of what Dr. Cooper was. Dr. Mann had no family was gone for 30 something years, and was only concerned about himself. Being alone really screws with your mind. But again Dr. Mann is all about himself and keeping himself alive.
2) Dr. Cooper is other focused in the movie. Mostly getting back to his children and saving his children. Dr. Brand was the opposite (sorta) of Dr. Cooper, she seemed more concerned about the protecting of the human race rather than a certain person. Eventually Dr. Cooper and Dr. Brand see eye to eye, kinda out of necessity. But Dr. Cooper is clearly shown as willing to give up his life to save the human race and Dr. Brand.
My point is Dr. Mann plays a very important role in this movie, he wasn't pointless. He was put there to bring out more Dr. Coopers motivations. I also think Nolan was trying to go against some dangerous mentalities that he sees in our culture.
1) This over concern for the environment, that you are willing to change history books to protect your agenda. What was clear is that there was a concern for making food for the survival of the human race. They destroyed the pursuit of knowledge just to make food. This was shown by a couple things. 1) Dr. Coopers conversation with the teachers. 2) The struggle with food.
2) I think in relation to 1, I think Nolan is trying to put across a message of, it is dangerous and wrong to only think about our survival. Dr. Mann was only concerned about his survival as I said. So concerned he was willing to kill the people who came to rescue them instead of working with them. I think Nolan shows us three primary examples of how a survival mindset only is destructive. 1) Humans were in a destructive downward spiral. They kept on making more food and more food, and eventually that would fail and the human race would die. 2) Dr. Mann's survive only mentality was destructive, it killed him, made him blind to basic procedures that would save his life. 3) Plan B was really plan A. The older Dr. Brand, was willing to lie, deceive etc. to help the human race survive.
To put it simply Nolan puts out two contrary ways of going about life.
1) Survive only, I do what ever I can, to keep myself alive than others alive.
2) My goal is still to survive, but I care about my family and the human race. Love is at issue here. Dr. Cooper loved his family, and love the current human race. He wasn't willing to sacrifice the whole living human race just to save it.
to put it more simply.
Don't just survive, also love each other.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:38 am to Freauxzen
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There is no "us," if we don't get off the planet.
did you not watch the whole movie? We clearly got off the planet. Dr. Coopers Daughter Murph, figured out Old Dr. Brand's second half of the equation. AKA time. Because she figured out the second half she was able to save the human race get them off earth and move on.
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No planet = No humans = No future humans = No wormhole
The "beings" MUST NOT be human for the story to make any sense. But that's a problem as well.
no you are completely wrong Freaux
After Dr. Cooper exists the black hole and shows up on the other side of the wormhole, an advanced human race shows up to save him. They created a space ship that also has naturally occurring elements on earth. So in theory you can keep that ship working with people in it reproducing for any period of time. There is nothing in the movie that says humans will not open the worm hole, and create the black hole.
There is a second possibility
Dr. Brand is successful on her planet, and these humans eventually find out how they have to save themselves opening the wormhole and that black hole.
But this is necessitated that it happens in the future that it happened in the past. Because the wormhole was opened even if it happens in the future, it necessarily happens in the future. It is a paradox that has been used in science fiction to explain how time travel works when you change the past or interact with it in the future.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:41 am to catholictigerfan
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Don't just survive, also love each other.
And, as usual, Nolan went around the world to check the mail.
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