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re: The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power premiers Sept 2, 2022 on Amazon Prime

Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1014 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:19 pm to
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At least with LotR they have a solid blueprint to reference. Will they choose to follow it?

ETA: And by blueprint I don't mean just the literature. The other highly successful production.


And an object lesson for what to avoid (The Hobbit)


It's hard to believe Peter Jackson was responsible for both LOTR and The Hobbit.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:28 pm to
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It's hard to believe Peter Jackson was responsible for both LOTR and The Hobbit.


The Hobbit was not Peter Jackson’s fault for the most part. There were multiple studios involved that all wanted to to have their input. PJ was basically forced to take over after Guillermo Del Toro suddenly left. I’m surprised they weren’t worse.

Look up A Long Expected Autopsy. It’s basically a documentary on all the crap that went wrong during the making of those movies.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:33 pm to
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Wow. This might be the worst possible thing they could have said about this entire show. They are clearly focused on the wrong thing if they went out of their way to create an entirely new race of hobbits just so they could shoehorn in black ones.



I mean Tolkien does describe Harfoots as being of darker skin. Its not that far of a stretch to have some black and there's nothing wrong with that. No sense in getting upset over a show that will mainly be white people having some black and Asain people in it. Its not like they are going to be having black elves.

The bad part of that is Hobbits being in the 2nd age. Which already tells us that they are majorly breaking from cannon and. I guess if they are indigenous they are going to be early on and probably don't have a major story line. But that seems to be a "Hey look! Hobbits! I know them" addition. Hopefully.

I'm going to stop reading articles on this prior to release because I might get mad, just like I was telling the other dude not too.

But im definitely keeping my expectations low so I can give up on the show early on if they boot it up and just not care about it instead of complaining.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:49 pm to
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The bad part of that is Hobbits being in the 2nd age. Which already tells us that they are majorly breaking from cannon


When and how they were created is unknown. Tolkien specifically says so. He also said they’re a branch of the human race. So maybe hobbits could have existed in the second age. But probably not the way we know them in the third age.

There are so many gaps that could be filled, so you know they will take some liberties.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65900 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:50 pm to
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Hate to bust your bubble, but most of the people in this country lives do not revolve around obsessive political beliefs. I am sure there are other small pockets of the internet where you can do your political movie circle jerks.


Complete nonsense.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65900 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:54 pm to
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But im definitely keeping my expectations low so I can give up on the show early on if they boot it up and just not care about it instead of complaining.


Yeah I have no expectations about this currently. Hopefully they do a good job with it, but I'm not sure why I would think Amazon is capable of that.
Posted by Miganey
Austin, Tx
Member since Feb 2013
3837 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by Linoge
Member since Jun 2013
1947 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:10 pm to
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I saw a comment alleging that people who are worried about this being “woke” are ruining this “once-great board”. You got it wrong, man. Hollywood is the problem. The people you are complaining about are the ones who want politics out of film. It’s the entertainment industry who has forgotten how to make a movie or series without all the cringe/woke/hyper-political messaging over the last 6 or 7 years. It’s not even well done. There’s no subtlety to it. They just slap you in the face with it and tell you to like it.


Perfectly said. But the progs on this board support turning everything woke. They love the gay superman and the black little mermaid and the tranny orc. It is what they live for so they attack anyone who points out how ridiculous it all is.

Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3577 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:19 pm to
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Which already tells us that they are majorly breaking from cannon..


If I recall correctly, when amazon purchased the rights to this from the Tolkien estate, part of the deal is (as in its written in the contract..) the series cannot deviate from what has already been published. So its in Amazon's contractural best interests to only "flesh out" the parts which are not specifically addressed...

Of course there is plenty of room for that fleshing out because of the nature of what is published. But the point I am making is Amazon is bound be contract not change anything which has already been published.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
42478 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:32 pm to
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I saw a comment alleging that people who are worried about this being “woke” are ruining this “once-great board”. You got it wrong, man. Hollywood is the problem. The people you are complaining about are the ones who want politics out of film. It’s the entertainment industry who has forgotten how to make a movie or series without all the cringe/woke/hyper-political messaging over the last 6 or 7 years. It’s not even well done. There’s no subtlety to it. They just slap you in the face with it and tell you to like it.


Perfectly said. But the progs on this board support turning everything woke. They love the gay superman and the black little mermaid and the tranny orc. It is what they live for so they attack anyone who points out how ridiculous it all is.



So here are 10 highest grossing movies for the past 5 years.

2021
1 Spider-Man: No Way Home
2 The Battle at Lake Changjin
3 Hi, Mom Lian Ray Pictures
4 No Time to Die
5 F9
6 Detective Chinatown 3
7 Venom: Let There Be Carnage
8 Godzilla vs. Kong
9 Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
10 Eternals

2020
1 Demon Slayer: Mugen Train
2 The Eight Hundred
3 My People, My Homeland
4 Bad Boys for Life
5 Tenet
6 Sonic the Hedgehog
7 Dolittle
8 Jiang Ziya
9 A Little Red Flower
10 Shock Wave 2

2019
1 Avengers: Endgame
2 The Lion King
3 Frozen II
4 Spider-Man: Far From Home
5 Captain Marvel
6 Joker
7 Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
8 Toy Story 4
9 Aladdin
10 Jumanji: The Next Level

2018
1 Avengers: Infinity War
2 Black Panther
3 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
4 Incredibles 2
5 Aquaman
6 Bohemian Rhapsody
7 Venom Sony Pictures
8 Mission: Impossible – Fallout
9 Deadpool 2
10 Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

2017
1 Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2 Beauty and the Beast
3 The Fate of the Furious
4 Despicable Me 3
5 Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle
6 Spider-Man: Homecoming
7 Wolf Warrior 2
8 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
9 Thor: Ragnarok
10 Wonder Woman

Since Hollywood cannot make a movie without an agenda or causing you emotional harm. How many of these 50 movies are woke?
Posted by Locoguan0
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2017
7270 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:37 pm to
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I can’t wait for the social justice messages and diversity.


He's not wrong. The Oscars now have diversity requirements in order to receive a nomination. Witcher is being knocked for not using actual handicap actors for young Yennifer and burned Reise. It's ridiculous.
Posted by Woolfman_8
Old Metairie
Member since Oct 2018
2072 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:41 pm to
Let me get this straight. People are upset about them “shoehorning” black people into the show?

To play hobbits?

Y’all do know hobbits aren’t real?
I thought people watched this stuff to let go of reality, some people are just looking to be miserable

This board used to be fun.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12763 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:46 pm to
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Let me get this straight. People are upset about them “shoehorning” black people into the show?

No
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115490 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:49 pm to
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It's hard to believe Peter Jackson was responsible for both LOTR and The Hobbit.


Del Toro was going to do the Hobbit, and backed out. Jackson hurriedly stepped in because he didn't trust anyone else.

1st installment (Unexpected Journey) was decent (ignoring the Radagast bullshite and the heavy CGI fight in the Misty Mountains). The other 2 were shite.

Shouldn't have been 3 movies (Jackson wanted 2, bowed to studio).
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
42478 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:56 pm to
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Let me get this straight. People are upset about them “shoehorning” black people into the show?


quote:

No


Also this board

quote:

They are clearly focused on the wrong thing if they went out of their way to create an entirely new race of hobbits just so they could shoehorn in black ones.
Posted by JustinBRLA
Melbourne, FL
Member since Sep 2006
1165 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:08 pm to
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I can’t wait for the social justice messages and diversity. Maybe there will be transgender black orc.


None of us could wait for you to bring this up in yet another thread. Thinking about gay sure does seem to occupy a lot of your time.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47258 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:22 pm to
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I'm still afraid it will be woke garbage.. sure hope I'm wrong.


It has all the ingredients for wokeness, and a glaring lack of serious, sincere Tolkien respect with who they hired to make the series.

It'll be Amazon Game of Thrones. But woke.

Good luck with that.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47258 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:26 pm to
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For Gods sake shut the frick up. You fricks who say this shite in every thread are ruining this fricking once great board.


Don't get mad at the messengers, get mad at those who want a more diverse and globally inclusive Tolkien story.

Ya know what? Tolkien didn't write it for muh representation. It wasn't made for the Social Justice minded. Deal with it.

This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 4:28 pm
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12763 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 4:43 pm to
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Also this board

That’s not me. I only speak for myself. I don’t represent the board.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41052 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:20 pm to
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People who let politics bleed into every aspect of their lives have got to be the most miserable people in this country.


You're right. But not for the reason you think you're right.
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