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re: The Last of Us | S1, Ep 9 Season Finale | NO GAME SPOILERS Thread
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:15 pm to lostinbr
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:15 pm to lostinbr
So did Marlene and the fireflies regularly schedule trips across country ?
Or did she go separately hoping Joel and Ellie in fact make it across on their own?
Awfully convenient she was there waiting on them when they roll into town
But yeah Joel went full commando . That was pretty badarse
Or did she go separately hoping Joel and Ellie in fact make it across on their own?
Awfully convenient she was there waiting on them when they roll into town
But yeah Joel went full commando . That was pretty badarse
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:16 pm to BluegrassBelle
Downvote away, but that was a weak arse episode.
Oh, and the Fireflies are just a bunch of frick ups.
Oh, and the Fireflies are just a bunch of frick ups.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
I think you have to give her a say in it. That for me would be the problem. They didn't ask her what she wanted, they were just going to harvest whatever.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:18 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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That’s a tough one. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t kill the doc who can save humanity though
Well, he probably shouldn’t have come at King Joel with the scalpel saying he wouldn’t let him take her.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:19 pm to lostinbr
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Ehh there’s no way of knowing whether the doc could actually save humanity. And his last words were something like “I won’t let you take her.”
He could have just shot him in the leg and called it a day.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:21 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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He could have just shot him in the leg and called it a day.
He also could have left Marlene there. But as he said, they would have come after her.
I’m not saying what he did was right.. that’s for each viewer to decide for themselves. Just pointing out why he did it.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:24 pm to BluegrassBelle
Would Ellie just be cool with dying “for the greater good,” even though she wouldn’t have known it happened or that there was no guarantee the cure would work?
I was on team Joel for doing what he did. I figured Ellie would at least want to be aware of what had to happen for her to be the cure, and I thought the Fireflies’ way of going about it was wrong.
The producers in the post credit recap made it sound like Ellie knows she lost her purpose in life, but I thought the argument could be made that she finally had found something stable in her life that cared for her, making life worth living.
Did I misunderstand the episode?
I was on team Joel for doing what he did. I figured Ellie would at least want to be aware of what had to happen for her to be the cure, and I thought the Fireflies’ way of going about it was wrong.
The producers in the post credit recap made it sound like Ellie knows she lost her purpose in life, but I thought the argument could be made that she finally had found something stable in her life that cared for her, making life worth living.
Did I misunderstand the episode?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Do you give up your kid (and that’s how he sees her at this point) to save humanity knowing it will kill her? Or do you try to find another way that wouldn’t kill her?
Yeah this debate will never stop
Two ways to look at it, Joel was in the right by saving Ellie’s life on what amounted to a prayer
Or Joel was selfish and wouldn’t let the Fireflies take a chance at saving the human race especially given Joel’s past or killing the shite out of people
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:27 pm to Bluefin
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Did I misunderstand the episode?
No. It’s intentionally morally ambiguous.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
Terrific season. Only one episode was meh. I can’t believe that last episode went so quick. Great show.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:37 pm to lostinbr
I think ellie pretty clearly is/was prepared to give her life to provide a cure. Its like the conundrum of being immortal....sure you live forever but you see everyone you know die. She's seen enough people she loves die from this . This is her purpose and she doesn't want to think Joel took it away.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:37 pm to Lawyered
Marlene's mistake was telling Joel what they were doing to her. Just say they're running some tests on her and you can see her soon.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:42 pm to dawgfan24348
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Two ways to look at it, Joel was in the right by saving Ellie’s life on what amounted to a prayer Or Joel was selfish and wouldn’t let the Fireflies take a chance at saving the human race especially given Joel’s past or killing the shite out of people
I think had they given Ellie the opportunity to make that decision herself and allow her to say Goodbye to Joel, then I might’ve sided with the Fireflies.
But I don’t think Ellie realized that she would die to “save” humanity. And they sure as frick weren’t giving her the opportunity to decide. IMO that’s infinitely more selfish than Joel.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:57 pm to TigerCub
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Marlene's mistake was telling Joel what they were doing to her. Just say they're running some tests on her and you can see her soon.
“We’re takin’ her brain out. Welp see ya later.”
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:58 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But I don’t think Ellie realized that she would die to “save” humanity. And they sure as frick weren’t giving her the opportunity to decide. IMO that’s infinitely more selfish than Joel.
Exactly, Joel did what he had to do to protect the person he loves, and I loved it.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
How could they give her the choice though? Either she says yes and they go ahead, or she says no and then instantly doesn’t trust them, starts to sabotage. No matter what she chooses, their relationship(Fireflies&Ellie) is over.
And if I were in Ellie’s shoes, and was willing to sacrifice my life for humanity, I’d rather not know the true objective either.
And if I were in Ellie’s shoes, and was willing to sacrifice my life for humanity, I’d rather not know the true objective either.
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:09 pm to Charter Embers
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How could they give her the choice though? Either she says yes and they go ahead, or she says no and then instantly doesn’t trust them, starts to sabotage. No matter what she chooses, their relationship(Fireflies&Ellie) is over.
I don’t think “but what if she says no?” is a good reason to decide not to give her a choice in the matter.
The answer, of course, is that if they give her a choice and she says no.. they let her go. Otherwise they aren’t really giving her a choice at all.
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:11 pm to Charter Embers
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How could they give her the choice though? Either she says yes and they go ahead, or she says no and then instantly doesn’t trust them, starts to sabotage. No matter what she chooses, their relationship(Fireflies&Ellie) is over.
I mean it’s pretty simple.
You tell her the risks up front and what has to be done. If she says ok, you let her say goodbye to Joel and do your thing.
If she says no, you consider what you could possibly manufacture from her blood or platelets. Work on another way you could create a cure without killing her. And if she doesn’t want to do that either you let her go.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:11 pm to Cs
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This episode felt extremely rushed.
This has been my main complaint about the show. They prioritize dialogue at the cost of proper pacing. The time jumps and location changes have been jarring.
This season would’ve benefited a lot with a few more episodes to let them add detail versus skipping between each high point. Way too rushed and spent the majority of time trying to flush out the characters during their sprint to the finish.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:25 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I mean it’s pretty simple. You tell her the risks up front and what has to be done. If she says ok, you let her say goodbye to Joel and do your thing. If she says no, you consider what you could possibly manufacture from her blood or platelets. Work on another way you could create a cure without killing her. And if she doesn’t want to do that either you let her go.
That’s the right thing to do, but I’m not sure that any human up to that point, as the show demonstrates I believe, would have the emotional capacity left to leave it to that chance.
Who in your opinion is the better person? Marlene or Joel?
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