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Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:15 pm to YNWA
You hit the nail on the head. As soon as any movie is released or discussed that has a female or minority lead this board lights up with the SJW and work threads.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:32 pm to King George
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Why is She-Hulk “WOKE”?
Strong, non-white, female lead.
If they give her a girlfriend this board will implode.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:40 pm to volod
Watchmen was a success you dimwit.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:48 am to tiggerthetooth
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It's not right now, go back 20 years and you'll see they were "educating" us then as well. Will & Grace
That right there proves the OPs point.
The original run of Will and Grace was a funny, light hearted sitcom. Yeah, two of the main characters were gay. So what? A lot of people I know from all walks of life watched and enjoyed it.
Fast forward to the second run the last couple of years. It’s hyper political and tries to beat you over the head with OMB. It’s pretty much unwatchable.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:05 am to Salmon
It was ok. But it wasn't Watchmen.
But DC failed at it too, so it's not anything new.
But DC failed at it too, so it's not anything new.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:16 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Why is She-Hulk “WOKE”?
I have no interest in the show, so I don't know if it was the producer or one of the main writers, but one of the key women behind the show was posting a bunch of cancel white men stuff on twitter. It's a pretty safe assumption that it will be overly progressive.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:40 am to volod
These threads are tiresome.
Straight white males who are threatened by the slightest offense to their inherited dominance.
Every thread is the same. Exaggerations and imaginary threats. Or one line in a film or one statement from someone associated with the film is seen as an assault on the natural alpha male order.
The actual "woke" films are anything but stealth messages. You can usually see from the first trailer that it has a message attached. If that offends you, don't see the film. Don't bitch about it, don't warn the populace, just don't see the fricking movie.
When I was growing up we had blaxploitation films. An entire genre of black heroes sticking it to the white man. We didn't complain about it. We didn't warn our friends about it. If it looked offensive, we just didn't see it. If 9 to 5 and An Unmarried Woman looked like too much feminist bullshite, we just didn't see the movies. If I had complained to my friends that Al Pacino's "Cruising" was full of queers, they'd have said, "Why the hell would you see that movie if you're offended by queers?"
We've had "woke" messaging from the start of film. Women rising above their place in society. Nobody gave a shite. By your standards, Eastwood's Dirty Harry movie "The Enforcer" is a woke message movie. Tyne Daly is treated like shite for being a woman cop and ends up the hero, gaining Harry's respect. If that came out today, you frickers would be losing your minds.
Straight white males who are threatened by the slightest offense to their inherited dominance.
Every thread is the same. Exaggerations and imaginary threats. Or one line in a film or one statement from someone associated with the film is seen as an assault on the natural alpha male order.
The actual "woke" films are anything but stealth messages. You can usually see from the first trailer that it has a message attached. If that offends you, don't see the film. Don't bitch about it, don't warn the populace, just don't see the fricking movie.
When I was growing up we had blaxploitation films. An entire genre of black heroes sticking it to the white man. We didn't complain about it. We didn't warn our friends about it. If it looked offensive, we just didn't see it. If 9 to 5 and An Unmarried Woman looked like too much feminist bullshite, we just didn't see the movies. If I had complained to my friends that Al Pacino's "Cruising" was full of queers, they'd have said, "Why the hell would you see that movie if you're offended by queers?"
We've had "woke" messaging from the start of film. Women rising above their place in society. Nobody gave a shite. By your standards, Eastwood's Dirty Harry movie "The Enforcer" is a woke message movie. Tyne Daly is treated like shite for being a woman cop and ends up the hero, gaining Harry's respect. If that came out today, you frickers would be losing your minds.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:47 am to Fewer Kilometers
You’re missing the forest for the trees.
The issue isn’t “woke” subject matter. The issue is arbitrarily altering existing properties to be more “woke” at the expense of story, resulting in bad movies that ruin franchises.
There is nothing wrong with woke movies. The issue is when that wokeness comes at the expense of story telling and character development.
Everyone has their own standard of where that line is. I think we can all agree that all female ghostbusters is a bad movie while Alien is a good movie. The debate is over movies that are kinda good/kinda bad that try to use a political message in marketing OR try to disparage movie goers for rejecting the movie because it’s too woke for them, when really, it’s just a bad movie (TLJ).
The issue isn’t “woke” subject matter. The issue is arbitrarily altering existing properties to be more “woke” at the expense of story, resulting in bad movies that ruin franchises.
There is nothing wrong with woke movies. The issue is when that wokeness comes at the expense of story telling and character development.
Everyone has their own standard of where that line is. I think we can all agree that all female ghostbusters is a bad movie while Alien is a good movie. The debate is over movies that are kinda good/kinda bad that try to use a political message in marketing OR try to disparage movie goers for rejecting the movie because it’s too woke for them, when really, it’s just a bad movie (TLJ).
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:55 am to kingbob
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You’re missing the forest for the trees.
The issue isn’t “woke” subject matter.
That's the exact assertion of the OP.
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There is nothing wrong with woke movies.
Again, every anti-woke thread in this forum disagrees with you.
quote:Which doesn't line-up with the list posted by the OP.
The debate is over movies that are kinda good/kinda bad that try to use a political message in marketing OR try to disparage movie goers for rejecting the movie because it’s too woke for them, when really, it’s just a bad movie (TLJ).
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:57 am to blueboy
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Lindelof has been clear that he does not see this ending as a cliffhanger, and he has hinted strongly (without quite claiming outright) that the writers’ intention was always that Angela does indeed take on Doctor Manhattan’s god-like powers. Since the show premiered in October, Lindelof has been even clearer that he sees this nine-episode run of “Watchmen” as a self-contained story that does not require a second season, and even if there were a Season 2, he cannot see himself making it.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:00 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Strong, non-white, female lead.
Jennifer Walters is white.
WTF?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:04 am to Fewer Kilometers
The issue is arbitrary wokeness not inherent to the story, like a character clearly written for a man where a woman is cast instead without significant revisions to the dialogue to make it not obvious. Taking a pre-existing character and changing their race, sexual preference, or gender for no reason other than arbitrary wokeness.
There’s nothing wrong with writing a film with a clear and concrete message inherent in its narrative. There’s nothing wrong with having a diverse cast when it suits the characters in the story. The issue is when a message is shoehorned into a story where it clearly wasn’t meant to be, where casting is meant to arbitrarily check boxes rather than reflect the characters on the page, changing pre-existing established characters to be more woke without laying any foundation for that change in personality, etc.
The issue isn’t wokeness, but ARBITRARY wokeness that isn’t organic to the story or characters, but is grafted onto them after the fact in order to virtue signal to audiences. These decisions often result in bad movies because they impede storytelling. When audiences reject bad storytelling or being browbeaten with heavy-handed preaching, I take issue with studios blaming audiences for not liking their product rather than the studio making and marketing a product in a way that people didn’t want to buy it.
There’s nothing wrong with writing a film with a clear and concrete message inherent in its narrative. There’s nothing wrong with having a diverse cast when it suits the characters in the story. The issue is when a message is shoehorned into a story where it clearly wasn’t meant to be, where casting is meant to arbitrarily check boxes rather than reflect the characters on the page, changing pre-existing established characters to be more woke without laying any foundation for that change in personality, etc.
The issue isn’t wokeness, but ARBITRARY wokeness that isn’t organic to the story or characters, but is grafted onto them after the fact in order to virtue signal to audiences. These decisions often result in bad movies because they impede storytelling. When audiences reject bad storytelling or being browbeaten with heavy-handed preaching, I take issue with studios blaming audiences for not liking their product rather than the studio making and marketing a product in a way that people didn’t want to buy it.
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:17 am to kingbob
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The issue is arbitrary wokeness not inherent to the story, like a character clearly written for a man where a woman is cast instead
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The issue is when a message is shoehorned into a story where it clearly wasn’t meant to be, where casting is meant to arbitrarily check boxes rather than reflect the characters on the page, changing pre-existing established characters to be more woke
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ARBITRARY wokeness that isn’t organic to the story or characters, but is grafted onto them after the fact in order to virtue signal to audiences. These decisions often result in bad movies because they impede storytelling.
And you see that in all of the examples listed. One of which that is so far in pre-production that we have no idea of its cast, plot, or intent.
quote:Which is nothing new. Studios have always suggested that their films were too good or too ahead of their time for the current viewers. They rarely admit to making bad films.
I take issue with studios blaming audiences for not liking their product rather than the studio making and marketing a product in a way that people didn’t want to buy it.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:22 am to Green Chili Tiger
I mean she should be green most the time and breaking the 4th wall on overdrive.
We'll know if the writers are worth a shite it they are actively making fun of themselves.
We'll know if the writers are worth a shite it they are actively making fun of themselves.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:25 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Which is nothing new. Studios have always suggested that their films were too good or too ahead of their time for the current viewers.
True. But only recently have studios started saying the reason for audiences not liking the film is because they're racist, bigots, misogynist, etc.
It went from "you just don't understand our art" to "you're just a racist bigot!"
It's one thing to not admit to your film being bad. It's quite another to attack the audience over it.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:26 am to ZappBrannigan
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I mean she should be green most the time and breaking the 4th wall on overdrive.
Too late. She-Hulk has been put on the woke list. No matter what the movie turns out to be, it's going to get bashed to death on this board (sight unseen).
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:05 am to Fewer Kilometers
People were afraid Bumblebee was going to be woke because of the female lead. It is now beloved by the board because it was a good movie.
People were afraid Solo would be woke because of all the hoopla around production and the bad taste from TLJ. The board consensus now is that it’s an underrated fun film that should have been a bigger success.
The board bemoaned “Knives Out” for wokeness until the movie came out, and now it’s in every poster’s top 5 films of last year.
The board has the capacity to change its opinions when provided with evidence to change them. If She Hulk is a good movie, the board will embrace it. If it’s bad, it will continue to shite on it. That’s how discussion boards work.
People were afraid Solo would be woke because of all the hoopla around production and the bad taste from TLJ. The board consensus now is that it’s an underrated fun film that should have been a bigger success.
The board bemoaned “Knives Out” for wokeness until the movie came out, and now it’s in every poster’s top 5 films of last year.
The board has the capacity to change its opinions when provided with evidence to change them. If She Hulk is a good movie, the board will embrace it. If it’s bad, it will continue to shite on it. That’s how discussion boards work.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:08 am to kingbob
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If She Hulk is a good movie, the board will embrace it. If it’s bad, it will continue to shite on it. That’s how discussion boards work.
Not on this board. At their worst, Watchmen was good and BOP was average. Yet they're still shite on by the majority of posters (the majority of that majority being those who haven't seen them).
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:11 am to Fewer Kilometers
So you’re just salty over Watchmen and BOP? I haven’t seen either one, tbh
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