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re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:14 am to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:14 am to 13SaintTiger
So they figured out a potential defense strategy 20 years later and now the guy deserves a retrial? Im glad he didnt get an appeal. Its just a hindsight is 20/20 deal. Im not sympathetic because the girl is still dead.
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:21 am to Rou Leed
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So they figured out a potential defense strategy 20 years later and now the guy deserves a retrial? Im glad he didnt get an appeal. Its just a hindsight is 20/20 deal. Im not sympathetic because the girl is still dead
You can’t fix stupid. You do realize many former convicts were proven innocent due to a new defense strategy 20 years later? It isn’t about convicting the person you think did it, or ones that fit your prejudice, it’s about convicting the person who actually did it. This is an aside from this Adnan thing, I’m speaking towards your moral issues.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:33 am to 13SaintTiger
I've only read a page or two in here and quickly realized that a lot of the legal talk is over my head.
But a lot of the talk in here is about how bad his defense was. I thought in criminal Adnan said he was pleased with his defense and thought she did a good job fighting for him. There were some clips serial played where she went about a few things the wrong way but I'm sure that happens a lot in major trials, taking the wrong angle on questioning certain people.
A lot of the evidence is new so she didnt have that available, and Adnan thought she did a good job. Are people reading like court documents that show like a mass amount of things she messed up on or are people just being extremely critical bc they know more now than she did. Doesnt seem fair to her.
That's an honest question, not an argument.
But a lot of the talk in here is about how bad his defense was. I thought in criminal Adnan said he was pleased with his defense and thought she did a good job fighting for him. There were some clips serial played where she went about a few things the wrong way but I'm sure that happens a lot in major trials, taking the wrong angle on questioning certain people.
A lot of the evidence is new so she didnt have that available, and Adnan thought she did a good job. Are people reading like court documents that show like a mass amount of things she messed up on or are people just being extremely critical bc they know more now than she did. Doesnt seem fair to her.
That's an honest question, not an argument.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:10 am to Rou Leed
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The livity stuff is complete pseudo science nonsense.
Not trying to be a dick but you called it "livity" in 3 separate posts on just the last page. Sorry, but I'm not inclined to believe your thoughts on the validity of a medical situation if you don't even know how to spell the simple word. Your thoughts are more levity than livity.
Also, Jay's friend didn't see him do anything with evidence. What she saw was Jay go out of her field of vision where he said he took care of evidence. Even if he did, there's nothing that connects Adnan to it except a liar's word.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 1:43 am to landrywasbeast30
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I mean this just isn’t anything close to the truth.
Who else could have done it?
Posted on 3/22/19 at 1:52 am to ShamelessPel
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And like they said at the beginning of the season on Serial, can you remember anything that happened 6 weeks ago? I sure as bell couldn’t tell you any details from 2-3 weeks ago if you asked me what happened that day, when I took my lunch break at work, if any problems occurred at work, if somebody wasn’t there, etc...( I realize I’m 32 and Adnan is 17 ). I don’t think Adnan not remembering the day is altogether suspicious by itself, though my doubts really creep in that he didn’t register memories from a day his ex went missing and he got a call from the cops. Though again, if he was truly innocent, I don’t find that a suspicious happening. If he’s innocent worried about her and freaking out, I doubt he starts cataloging his day at that point.
So it's normal that Adnan doesn't remember ANYTHING about the day his ex gf disappeared.
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That’s the type of thing that imprints in your head, and you better believe if he was telling the truth, he shouldn’t be having little inconsistencies. If innocent, he should have his story down to a friggin T so he can clear himself of actually killing her. I can remember most of the evening in detail of the night my freshman intramural flag football team barely lost to the defending champs. That was 13 years ago...and my details would not start changing. I can give you a run down of my first day in England in 2014 to see Linkin Park at download. My details would not change. This whole “only a bunch of small details changed” nonsense reeks of bullshite. Oh yeah, and if someone showed me a dead body of someone I was acquainted with that they just murdered, there is absolutely, positively, no way in hell I would ever mix that up. So unless Jay’s used to seeing dead bodies for some reason, this should have been a big moment in his life.
But Jay should have remembered it.
I don't think you're being consistent.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 2:03 am to The Spleen
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The one thing that never squared with me was Adnan leaving his cell phone with Jay all day. Not many people had cell phones in 1999, and I just can't imagine someone leaving their brand new cell phone with someone all day they claimed to not be very close to. I don't think this was explored closely enough.
I think it's absolutely damning. As you said, he knew Jay, but they weren't like best friends or anything. The only reason he leaves his phone with him is because he knew what he was going to do and thus knew he would need to get in contact with Jay after it happened to help dispose of the body.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 3:04 am to medtiger
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The calls the state say placed Adnan in Leakin Park that night were between 7:00-7:30. Adnan's call log has him making calls to many other people between 8:00-10:30
According to Jay, Adnan did not bury Hae at the same time the hole was dug, but came later -- around midnight -- and buried her.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 3:08 am to medtiger
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then by 7:00 they were in Leakin Park burying Hae's body.
Again, this is not true. They were digging the hole. Adnan dumped the body hours later.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 3:14 am to landrywasbeast30
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There is no evidence Adnan did anything except for Jay saying he did. Basically, if Jay’s story has any truth to it, he is very clearly the number one suspect.
This is just complete nonsense. Jen is the most credible witness that I have seen in all of this, and he was at her house until Adnan called around 3:40.
What do you think Adnan was calling about? What do you think that Jay just rolled up and Adnan instructed him to strangle his gf? And he politely obliged?
Posted on 3/22/19 at 4:07 am to MidnightVibe
So is the whole gist of this HBO show that a poor innocent muslim guy was framed for a murder by a white dude? HBO is just hot garbage these days. VICE, their bleeding heart prog docs.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 6:38 am to cable
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So is the whole gist of this HBO show that a poor innocent muslim guy was framed for a murder by a white dude? HBO is just hot garbage these days. VICE, their bleeding heart prog docs.
Yes, white people are the devil, or haven’t you heard?
Posted on 3/22/19 at 8:15 am to MidnightVibe
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But Jay should have remembered it.
I don't think you're being consistent.
There’s one massive problem with your analysis of what I said.
The first quote is the presumption that Adnan is innocent.
The second quote is referring to a day that Jay buried a dead body.
Again, I think Adnan did it, but if he didn’t, it’s not that surprising to me that you wouldn’t start cataloging the day in your head. If his version is true, there’s really no reason he’s thinking “I’m about to get framed for murder by my friend, I better start cataloging that day in my head and get my ducks in a row.”
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 8:22 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 8:49 am to ShamelessPel
You have to put yourself in the shoes of a high school kid.
This was serious HS drama. You get a call from the cops saying the parents of your ex, who you are still hung up on, think she has gone missing, you don’t just shrug that off.
And he didn’t have to “catalog” the whole day.
The call comes in around 6, you just have to recall the previous few hours since school let out. Not because you think you’re about to be framed for her murder, but because that’s what any HS kid wiiid do trying to think if he had seen her.
Oh, I was at the library before track and she wasn’t there.
It’s actually just from 230-4 that he’d really have to think if he saw her because he apparently went to track so he’d know she wasn’t there.
This is just a few hours later.
And as each day went by that she didn’t turn up those details would become ingrained into his mind, despite the fog of weed he was looking through.
He cared about Hae. Just a few hours before he was apparently pouring his heart out to a relative stranger about how much he loved her.
He wouldn’t have just blown it off.
And again, never calling her again?? Not even calling her friends to be like hey what’s up with Hae is she just off with her new dude or what? This is crazy right??
HS kids talk. About everything. All the time. His complete lack of interest or concern, even in the subsequent days, is absolutely irreconcilable with his own supposed alibi witness claiming he was pouring his heart out to her in the moments she was about to go missing.
The most interest he shows is confronting his teacher in a somewhat agitated state when she circulated questions for the police.
This was serious HS drama. You get a call from the cops saying the parents of your ex, who you are still hung up on, think she has gone missing, you don’t just shrug that off.
And he didn’t have to “catalog” the whole day.
The call comes in around 6, you just have to recall the previous few hours since school let out. Not because you think you’re about to be framed for her murder, but because that’s what any HS kid wiiid do trying to think if he had seen her.
Oh, I was at the library before track and she wasn’t there.
It’s actually just from 230-4 that he’d really have to think if he saw her because he apparently went to track so he’d know she wasn’t there.
This is just a few hours later.
And as each day went by that she didn’t turn up those details would become ingrained into his mind, despite the fog of weed he was looking through.
He cared about Hae. Just a few hours before he was apparently pouring his heart out to a relative stranger about how much he loved her.
He wouldn’t have just blown it off.
And again, never calling her again?? Not even calling her friends to be like hey what’s up with Hae is she just off with her new dude or what? This is crazy right??
HS kids talk. About everything. All the time. His complete lack of interest or concern, even in the subsequent days, is absolutely irreconcilable with his own supposed alibi witness claiming he was pouring his heart out to her in the moments she was about to go missing.
The most interest he shows is confronting his teacher in a somewhat agitated state when she circulated questions for the police.
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 8:58 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 8:55 am to Tiger Voodoo
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You have to put yourself in the shoes of a high school kid.
This was serious HS drama. You get a call from the cops saying the parents of your ex, who you are still hung up on, think she has gone missing, you don’t just shrug that off.
And he didn’t have to “catalog” the whole day.
The call comes in around 6, you just have to recall the previous few hours since school let out. Not because you think you’re about to be framed for her murder, but because that’s what any HS kid wiiid do trying to think if he had seen her.
Oh, I was at the library before track and she wasn’t there.
It’s actually just from 230-4 that he’d really have to think if he saw her because he apparently went to track so he’d know she wasn’t there.
This is just a few hours later.
And as each day went by that she didn’t turn up those details would become ingrained into his mind, despite the fog of weed he was looking through.
He cared about Hae. Just a few hours before he was apparently pouring his heart out to a relative stranger about how much he loved her.
He wouldn’t have just blown it off.
Honestly, semantics aside, it sounds like his whole “not remembering” is likely derived from his defense council, and he’s just staying consistent. That’s just me guessing though. I don’t have a legal background at all.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:04 am to MidnightVibe
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Adnan did not bury Hae at the same time the hole was dug, but came later -- around midnight -- and buried her.
This wasn't said at trial (or in each of Jay's interviews with police) which is all that matters to me... LINK
Where are you coming up with that? Link? And if Adnan came back later and buried the body alone, how would Jay have known where the car was?
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 9:09 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:05 am to ShamelessPel
No offense, but that would be the best argument for ineffective assistance of counsel I’ve seen 
If Adnan knew where he was, and it wasn’t killing Hae, why in Earth would he not say???
And 20 years later still not revealing the information that could exonerate himself just to stay consistent??
If Adnan knew where he was, and it wasn’t killing Hae, why in Earth would he not say???
And 20 years later still not revealing the information that could exonerate himself just to stay consistent??
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:11 am to medtiger
Yeah he doesn’t have that exactly right.
He probably is thinking of this, from Jay’s recent interview, he also says it was a few hours after he saw the body that he came back to dig the hole, not a few hours they dug the hole that he buried her :
LINK
He probably is thinking of this, from Jay’s recent interview, he also says it was a few hours after he saw the body that he came back to dig the hole, not a few hours they dug the hole that he buried her :
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Did you go to Leakin Park immediately after agreeing to help? No. Adnan left and then returned to my house several hours later, closer to midnight in his own car.
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Did you and Adnan dig the grave?
Yes we dig for about 40 minutes and we dig and dig, and he’s digging less and less. And at a certain point I say, ‘Well frick, I’m finished. I’m fricking done.’ And Adnan’s like, ‘Oh, well, you’re not going to help me move her are you?’ And I’m like ‘No, I’m not gonna help you move her.’ He says, ‘Ok, well, I’m gonna need you to drive back to her car.”
Where was Hae’s car?
Somewhere up around a corner up a hill, parked in a strange neighborhood. It’s just on the street. I didn’t know it was that close. He said, ‘I’m gonna drive back down there [to the grave]. You follow me some of the way, and then I’ll take care of it.’
You drove him to Hae’s car nearby?
Yes. We get into his car, and he drives up around the corner to Hae’s car. He says, ‘OK, follow me halfway back down the hill [towards the grave site],” so he doesn’t have to walk all the way back up the hill to get back to me in his car. I follow him halfway back down the hill, park, smoke some cigarettes. He’s gone with Hae’s car.
It takes him about half an hour, 45 minutes, and he comes back with gloves on, panting, like, ‘She was really heavy.’ That’s all he says. That’s about burying her.
This post was edited on 3/22/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
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If Adnan knew where he was, and it wasn’t killing Hae, why in Earth would he not say???
Again, I don't know how many times I can say this. I...THINK...HE...DID...IT...so the defense counsel using him "not remembering" makes sense to me.
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And 20 years later still not revealing the information that could exonerate himself just to stay consistent??
Let's say he's telling the truth and he didn't do it, him coming out and admitting that he straight up lied seems to be a one way ticket to being discredited entirely.
Posted on 3/22/19 at 9:25 am to ShamelessPel
Gotcha. I’m not noticing who posts what 
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