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The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:42 pm
First of 4 parts premiers tonight.. however...
Adnan not getting new trial
Sort of buzzkill right before the new doc comes out
Adnan not getting new trial
Sort of buzzkill right before the new doc comes out
This post was edited on 3/11/19 at 5:55 pm
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:06 pm to Lawyered
He did it
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:10 pm to PillPusher
quote:
He did it
maybe. its been awhile since i listened to the pod, but i def remember alot of shady "gaps" in his memory.
but i also dont think his original lawyer did him any favors.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 4:38 pm to PillPusher
No way he did it.
Jay did or was directly responsible.
Jay did or was directly responsible.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 5:43 pm to Lawyered
Regardless of whether he did it or not, they absolutely did not have enough to convict him and his representation fricked him so bad. I mean, a juror admitted on tape that the fact he didn’t defend himself on the stand “was huge to her in determining he was guilty”. It’s staggering stuff. I’m also not surprised he lost the 3rd appeal after winning the first two. At some point, he was bound to run into some sort of political/personal nonsense that was going to screw him.
I’d also argue that in terms of probability, Jay was more likely to have committed or at least assisted in the murder than Adnan.
If you thought season 1 was infuriating, season 3 of Serial is fricking blood boiling regarding our criminal justice system. She follows the Cleveland, Ohio courts for a year+. It doesn’t sound overly fascinating on the surface, but I found it the most informative of the 3 seasons. Our criminal justice system is so fricked.
There are so many details in this story so I’ll do my best to summarize:
At one point, they follow a kid who actually fricking cooperated with the FBI and ran around the city while he outed all sorts of gang members in exchange for being charged as youth instead of an adult. In itself, this is quite brave for someone to do this instead of refusing to “snitch”. This kid got systematically harassed by staff and ex gang members in juvi to the point they revoked his youth status and put him in jail for another 6 years as an adult.
The kicker, the crime he committed? Of the 13 other people who got tried in the crime as an adult, about half got out in 2-3 years and the most time any of them saw was 13. This kid served 9 for cooperating and also outed himself as a snitch, basically ruining any chance he had at a normal life in his community when he gets out. Further, he got himself beat the frick up and jumped for 2-3 years in juvi until he got put into adult jail.
I’d also argue that in terms of probability, Jay was more likely to have committed or at least assisted in the murder than Adnan.
If you thought season 1 was infuriating, season 3 of Serial is fricking blood boiling regarding our criminal justice system. She follows the Cleveland, Ohio courts for a year+. It doesn’t sound overly fascinating on the surface, but I found it the most informative of the 3 seasons. Our criminal justice system is so fricked.
There are so many details in this story so I’ll do my best to summarize:
At one point, they follow a kid who actually fricking cooperated with the FBI and ran around the city while he outed all sorts of gang members in exchange for being charged as youth instead of an adult. In itself, this is quite brave for someone to do this instead of refusing to “snitch”. This kid got systematically harassed by staff and ex gang members in juvi to the point they revoked his youth status and put him in jail for another 6 years as an adult.
The kicker, the crime he committed? Of the 13 other people who got tried in the crime as an adult, about half got out in 2-3 years and the most time any of them saw was 13. This kid served 9 for cooperating and also outed himself as a snitch, basically ruining any chance he had at a normal life in his community when he gets out. Further, he got himself beat the frick up and jumped for 2-3 years in juvi until he got put into adult jail.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 6:33 pm to PillPusher
quote:
He did it
No question.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 7:54 pm to Lawyered
Looking forward to this one but that is a buzz kill about the no new trial.
I don’t see how all of you are saying that he did it - no question. The jury didn’t have enough to convict him and there are gaps on both sides.
I don’t see how all of you are saying that he did it - no question. The jury didn’t have enough to convict him and there are gaps on both sides.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:36 pm to Lawyered
It’s weirdly sociopathic to hear him talk about Hae and how they started talking .
Gives alot of good back story into it all as it goes through Hae’s diary and chronicling the events leading up to the murder
I llike it so far
Gives alot of good back story into it all as it goes through Hae’s diary and chronicling the events leading up to the murder
I llike it so far
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:17 pm to ShamelessPel
Anyone who thinks our criminal justice system actually works is laughable.
We'll vote for tough on crime judges, and let the public defender system get slaughtered.
We'll vote for tough on crime judges, and let the public defender system get slaughtered.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 9:18 pm to Jcorye1
Is this a weekly release?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:34 pm to Jcorye1
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Anyone who thinks our criminal justice system actually works is laughable.
We'll vote for tough on crime judges, and let the public defender system get slaughtered.
One thing I’ve learned from these pods and other sources is that I need to make sure I’m very aware of the judging candidates for office. I will admit I was very uninformed, but it’s nuts how different one judge is from the next. I also didn’t realize just how much power these local court judges truly have.
That one kids story was so sad though not because of what happened to him for committing a violent crime, but because of the implications. They covered a crime where a 6 month old was murdered and no one would even testify against the killer, but here’s a 16 year old kid giving you pure gold as a prosecutor for a large chunk of a gang, and you do NOTHING to protect him in a scenario he very obviously needs protection. Further, their lack of protection leads to arse whoopings and extended jail time. It’s sad. So many of these stories are ones where they reach far past the person that it occurs to. That person tells their immediate contacts and those contacts tell their immediate contacts. It’s just a vicious cycle of brokenness.
Back to Adnan
The Adnan story is no better. A lawyer who very obviously doesn’t do her job. I mean listening to her in that court room was so cringeworthy. Not following up on 1st hand alibis? Unthinkable. Unimaginable. Not using them is one thing. Not even talking to them is another. Jurors that admit to finding him guilty because he didn’t take the stand. No physical evidence other than cellphone tower data, some of which is very debatable and only “proves” that his phone was in certain parts of the city. Their only evidence is the word of a drug dealer who’s very obviously a freaking weirdo (dyes his hair, tons of varying personality descriptions, etc.) ...who also admitted he freaking WENT BACK AND CLEANED THE DNA OFF THE SHOVELS IN THE DUMPSTER AND BURNED HIS CLOTHES ...who also knew where the fricking murdered girls car was ...who also couldn’t even keep his goddamn story straight including WHERE ADNAN SHOWED HIM A DEAD BODY (allegedly). To top it all off, Adnan was very close to Jay’s girlfriend, and you suddenly have a clear motive for railroading the guy.
If you haven’t listened to the Serial podcast series, I highly recommend it. It’s one of the best I’ve listened to and the lady does a very good job of staying unbiased, admitting time and time again that even she teeters back and forth between whether she thought Adnan was guilty or innocent. At the end of the day though, it certainly seems there’s not enough for a conviction...not for what the prosecution was saying happened at least.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 10:34 pm to LSUTigKyl
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LSUTigKyl
Supposed to be a 4 parter bud and from my understanding the show tries to rehumanize the victim in this case (good for her and the family, I’m happy they had that intent) instead of making her a debatable talking point. I don’t think you will get the full details on the case alone from this show, at least not in the way the podcast did.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 11:07 pm to ShamelessPel
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If you haven’t listened to the Serial podcast series, I highly recommend it
That’s how I know Adnan and Jay killed that girl.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:04 am to Esquire
I lean towards he did it
But also think it’s a joke they took his new trial away.
Same way I feel about Avery.
But also think it’s a joke they took his new trial away.
Same way I feel about Avery.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:55 am to tylercsbn9
He definitely did it.*
*And I don't usually land on this side. I don't think Steven Avery did it.
*And I don't usually land on this side. I don't think Steven Avery did it.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 12:58 am to ShamelessPel
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If you haven’t listened to the Serial podcast series, I highly recommend it. It’s one of the best I’ve listened to and the lady does a very good job of staying unbiased, admitting time and time again that even she teeters back and forth between whether she thought Adnan was guilty or innocent. At the end of the day though, it certainly seems there’s not enough for a conviction...not for what the prosecution was saying happened at least.
I listened to it and thought it was incredibly well done, but her teetering at the end seemed contrived.
Or, if not, it just seemed unreasonable. I had no doubt after listening to it that he did it.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 1:20 am to Jcorye1
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We'll vote for tough on crime judges, and let the public defender system get slaughtered.
Unless it's a serious felony...most Due Process in America is 10 minutes of the Prosecutor's time and 5 minutes of the Public Defender's time. Their caseload is too large.
You want justice for yourself? You better have money to hire someone willing to invest in your defense because the rest is just trying to process the caseload.
The system is designed to be fair but they just bring in jury pools - where half don't want to be there - and the ones that want to be there because they have nothing better to do are old ladies.
This is going to the theater to them.
Arguments aren't going to sway this pool which is often predominate...they are set in their beliefs and ways.
The criminal justice system (to your point) went way overboard in the 90's - basically anyone who said they were tough on crime - got elected - and we enacted a million laws.
So if a guy breaks into a house - he's now charged with 7 different felonies for one act.
Prosecutor says, we'll reduce it to 2 felonies...as a plea offer.
Criminal takes the deal...thinking he got lucky when all he plead to was Burglary and something additional. They still got him.
Excessive and over-charging is the the worst thing that ever happened to the criminal justice system in America. Every step of a crime is now a crime...instead of just theft...it's a crime now every step of the theft.
Ridiculous. It's all designed to make it easy on Prosecutors so they don't have to prove shite...all they have to do is drop the bullshite charges and get a plea bargain.
It's a parlor trick. Happens everyday.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 7:36 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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You want justice for yourself? You better have money to hire someone willing to invest in your defense because the rest is just trying to process the caseload.
Adnan had a private lawyer. She was terrible, but apparently she used to be good, but apparently had an illness that had already set in and her mental faculties were not what they were before.
Damn shame, really.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 7:50 am to Lawyered
quote:
He did it
The question is how Jay isn't doing some time. It's been awhile since I listened to the podcast though.
Posted on 3/11/19 at 7:54 am to Cdawg
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The question is how Jay isn't doing some time. It's been awhile since I listened to the podcast though.
He testified iirc and got a favorable deal as a result.
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