- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-
Posted on 3/25/19 at 3:03 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
Posted on 3/25/19 at 3:03 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:
I would imagine that to be a pretty busy parking lot.
I want to say I remember the parking lot being an "L" shape with part of curving around the side. That wouldn't be real crowded. Jay also said that's where they would have sex so there has to be some privacy.
To the whole story, I'm still at a point where I don't know if Adnan did it but I feel pretty confident it didn't go down like the state said.
I was also intrigued by the theory that the police gave Jay all of the info to frame Adnan and neither was involved in the murder/burial. That's why I find it really interesting that Jenn is 100% sure Jay brought up the murder either on the day it happened or around the day it happened. Doesn't prove Adnan is guilty but does make it almost certain Jay was involved from the beginning. Which makes Adnan's involvement more likely.
Is it just me or did the very end of the episode look like they're hinting at a bombshell from DNA evidence in the last episode?
1
Posted on 3/25/19 at 3:09 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
Yes, they talked about the Best Buy parking lot thing extensively. There was also a secluded area of the parking lot, off to the side of the building, where Hae and Adnan used to park to have sex, according one of Hae's friends. Forget which one. I think Adnan admitted he and Jay used to go to that same are to smoke pot.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 4:57 pm to The Spleen
Oh OK, thanks. I couldn't remember. Still doesn't seem pre-meditated to me, especially with it being a strangulation. I think Hae was supposedly picking him up that day? So if she was driving, he had to convince her to go to their old sex spot even though they were broken up. Not that high school kids don't hook up post-break-up all the time. But it seems like he was leaving a lot to chance if it was pre-meditated.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 5:39 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:
I think Hae was supposedly picking him up that day?
That was a big point of contention. Hae was responsible for picking up her cousins immediately after school every day, and Adnan claimed he would never ask her for a ride because of that fact. But he told police in his first interview he asked her for a ride that day, and 2 of Hae's friends corroborated that. In subsequent interviews with police he insists he didn't ask her for a ride.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 6:30 pm to The Spleen
Didn't they also mention a phone call from a phonebooth in the Bestbuy parking lot?
Posted on 3/25/19 at 6:33 pm to Dave Worth
quote:
I feel pretty confident it didn't go down like the state said.
It almost definitely didn't happen on the state's timeline in the manner the state said it did at trial. The odds of Hae leaving school at 2:15, Adnan jumping in the car, going to Best Buy, strangling her and putting her in the trunk in time to call Jay at 2:36 to come and get him are extremely remote.
This doesn't mean Adnan didn't do it. The state could just be wrong about the 2:36 call being the come get me call, but they claimed it was at trial.
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 3/25/19 at 7:02 pm to JBeam
quote:
Didn't they also mention a phone call from a phonebooth in the Bestbuy parking lot?
Yes. Jay said Adnan called him from the Best Buy to come get him from there. There was uncertainty on if there was even a pay phone there, but in the last episode of Serial season they said they obtained original blueprints for the store and there was a spot in the vestibule for a pay phone. Some girl called Sarah during the season and said there absolutely was not a pay phone there at the time.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:59 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Yeah he doesn’t have that exactly right.
He probably is thinking of this, from Jay’s recent interview, he also says it was a few hours after he saw the body that he came back to dig the hole, not a few hours they dug the hole that he buried her
1. You are correct that I got it from that interview. I have not read the trial transcript.
2. You are also correct that I got it slightly wrong. Thanks for the clarification.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:03 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
But a lot of the talk in here is about how bad his defense was. I thought in criminal Adnan said he was pleased with his defense and thought she did a good job fighting for him. There were some clips serial played where she went about a few things the wrong way but I'm sure that happens a lot in major trials, taking the wrong angle on questioning certain people
Adnan didn't completely throw her under the bus, but he did say that the prosecution was more organized and that she was a bit all over the place. Which was my impression as well from Serial. She was just throwing stuff at a wall to see what would stick. She didn't have a cogent theory to build off of.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Of course it could have given the defense the same advantage by knowing their full presentation and maybe even seeing the cell phone expert.
This would be my take. I think it's a bigger advantage for the defense. But it may be one that his attorney wasn't well enough to fully take advantage of.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
The girl that saw him in the library? The family didn't even acknowledge her, how would she have known? Unless you interview everybody in the school. Or is it somebody else I'm missing remembering?
She sent a letter to Adnan. Presumably he showed her the letter.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:08 pm to The Spleen
quote:
Watched the first episode of the HBO series this weekend. Did anyone else find it extremely odd and creepy that Don pursued Hae's friend(forget her name, Debbie?) soon after the murder and trial?
Depends on what Debbie looked like at the time. Show me a pic of her at 18 and I'll opine.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:10 pm to Neauxla_Tiger
quote:
Also, count me in the crowd that doesn't think it's that strange for him to not remember where he was for that 1-2 hours. He had track practice every day after school with some time to kill in between, right? Usually it's not enough time to do much of anything besides homework or dicking around with friends, none of which is particularly memorable days or weeks later. Especially if there's some slight variance in what you do every day for months. I understand he got a phone call from the police that day, but were they grilling him for alibis that day, or just asking if he heard from Hae? I would expect to remember the phone call, but not necessarily to remember the minutiae of the day if there wasn't any reason for you to think it was relevant at the time. Plus, this is back before everybody had cell phones and social media, so it wasn't that crazy for someone to not be heard from for a day. By the time the police called him she was only unaccounted for for a few hours, right? I don't think I would have been freaking out, especially if they weren't dating anymore. Obviously that doesn't mean Adnan would react the same way I think I would, but I don't think his foggy memory is that concerning, and as others have said, you can argue he would have had an alibi prepared ahead of time if he was guilty and knew he'd be questioned. Just speculating.
Do you remember what you did four hours ago?
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:42 pm to MidnightVibe
The sentence of Jay was cleared up in episode 3.
The judge gave him 5 years, but all of it but time served was suspended. I'm speculating here, because I don't know Maryland law on this, but I'm going to assume that the plea agreement he signed was a recommended sentence that the judge was not bound to follow.
The judge gave him 5 years, but all of it but time served was suspended. I'm speculating here, because I don't know Maryland law on this, but I'm going to assume that the plea agreement he signed was a recommended sentence that the judge was not bound to follow.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:51 am to The Spleen
I got around to reading some of the order denying him a new trialThe order makes a lot more fact-finding type of assumptions than I thought it would. More or less, Asia's testimony contradicted what Adnan told the police and the defense didn't want to tell multiple stories. His lawyer "pursued an alibi that was based on his daily routine, which included regular attendance of track practice—and did not include regular attendance of the public library." Also It appears she may have came across as less than credible. Certainly (in hindsight) could have worded her letter a tad better. Not sure why she mentions such a specific time-frame...
I hope that you’re not guilty[,] and a I hope to death that you have nothing to do with it. If so[,] I will try my best to help you account for some of your unwitnessed, unaccountable lost time (2:15 - 8:00; Jan 13th). The police have not been notified Yet to my knowledge[. M]aybe it will give your side of the story a particle [sic] head start. I hope that you appreciate this, seeing as though I really would like to stay out of this whole thing.
McClain also stated: “If you were in the library for a[ ]while, tell the police[,] and I’ll continue to tell what I know even louder than I am.”
I hope that you’re not guilty[,] and a I hope to death that you have nothing to do with it. If so[,] I will try my best to help you account for some of your unwitnessed, unaccountable lost time (2:15 - 8:00; Jan 13th). The police have not been notified Yet to my knowledge[. M]aybe it will give your side of the story a particle [sic] head start. I hope that you appreciate this, seeing as though I really would like to stay out of this whole thing.
McClain also stated: “If you were in the library for a[ ]while, tell the police[,] and I’ll continue to tell what I know even louder than I am.”
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:22 am to MidnightVibe
quote:
Do you remember what you did four hours ago?
Here's my problem with Adnan, and why I think he likely did it. He can remember a good deal of details of both that day, and days around that time. But when it comes to the time frame of the murder and burying the body, he doesn't remember hardly any of that time frame. It's convenient amnesia. And his whole "it was just a regular day for me" thing falls flat with me, beause the cops called him that night. Getting a call from the cops looking for your ex-girlfriend isn't a regular day.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:54 am to The Spleen
quote:Which is why testing DNA is so important in this situation.
Here's my problem with Adnan, and why I think he likely did it. He can remember a good deal of details of both that day, and days around that time. But when it comes to the time frame of the murder and burying the body, he doesn't remember hardly any of that time frame. It's convenient amnesia.
quote:Try to put yourself in the position of 17/18-year-old at that moment. I tend to think that "It was just a regular day for me" has to deal with the very repetitive HS structure. I for one would have a difficult time piecing together little detail from something that took places months ago (especially in an age where GPS tracking wasn't a thing).
And his whole "it was just a regular day for me" thing falls flat with me, beause the cops called him that night. Getting a call from the cops looking for your ex-girlfriend isn't a regular day.
I also remember listening to a radiolab podcast (I can't remember the name of the specific episode) that talks about how humans don't structure our memories of events all the same. The majority of people don't remember details as they happen and typically change details when we retell stories.
***Found the episode LINK
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:16 am to JBeam
quote:
I also remember listening to a radiolab podcast (I can't remember the name of the specific episode) that talks about how humans don't structure our memories of events all the same. The majority of people don't remember details as they happen and typically change details when we retell stories.
I get that and believe it. What I mean is, when I was 17 a call from the cops asking if I knew the whereabouts of my ex-girlfriend would not be just a normal day. The day up to that point? Sure. But that call would cause me to have a distinct memory of that day's events, especially when it was just a few weeks prior. He's maintained from the very beginning that he can't remember much during the crucial time of Hae's disappearance and the presumed time of her death. That's problematic for me. Add to it that the next day was a pretty major ice storm. So he had two unusual events happen within 24 hours of each other, but can't remember his whereabouts for that crucial timeframe? Mighty convenient for someone that otherwise comes across highly intelligent and with a good memory.
I forget which episode but Sarah really pushed him on that fact and he got really defensive.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:36 am to The Spleen
quote:
I get that and believe it. What I mean is, when I was 17 a call from the cops asking if I knew the whereabouts of my ex-girlfriend would not be just a normal day. The day up to that point? Sure. But that call would cause me to have a distinct memory of that day's events, especially when it was just a few weeks prior. He's maintained from the very beginning that he can't remember much during the crucial time of Hae's disappearance and the presumed time of her death. That's problematic for me. Add to it that the next day was a pretty major ice storm. So he had two unusual events happen within 24 hours of each other, but can't remember his whereabouts for that crucial timeframe? Mighty convenient for someone that otherwise comes across highly intelligent and with a good memory.
Yeah, even if he can't remember the day specifically, you would think that somebody, anybody would be able to remember something about that day to give him an alibi. The fact that no one has been able to come up with anything to support him other than the Asia girl is very alarming. You then have multiple people and bits of supporting evidence that all points to him being involved, none of which he can explain or counter.
All I can figure is that they were all smoking meth or something and just completely incoherent during these hours which is why no one remembers anything correctly.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:11 am to MidnightVibe
quote:
Do you remember what you did four hours ago?
This is kind of what I was inquiring about when I asked:
quote:
I understand he got a phone call from the police that day, but were they grilling him for alibis that day, or just asking if he heard from Hae?
If they called him that day and he couldn't answer where he was a few hours earlier, then that's a huge red flag. But if they just asked if he'd heard from Hae, and wasn't questioned as a suspect until weeks later I can find it plausible he didn't remember.
For example, if I had an hour to kill every day between school ending and practice, I might go to the library some days, go get McDonald's other days, hang out with friends other days. It could vary. If there was some drama one night, I will probably remember the drama if you ask me about it weeks later but it doesn't necessarily mean I'll remember whether I went to the library, McDonald's or a friend's house earlier that day. IF he is innocent, it's understandable that you forget the minutiae of a regular day because you weren't thinking in terms of needing an alibi to protect yourself later. Basically, an unusual or traumatic event would make me more likely to remember everything that happened AFTER that event, but I don't think it makes you remember all the routine stuff that happened hours before if your brain doesn't register it as being important at the time.
This all depends on the first time he's specifically asked to recall that day and how much time had passed. He could be (probably is) guilty, but I can buy the not remembering part as plausible if he's innocent
ETA: I can remember VIVIDLY the exact scene a couple months ago when my wife announced to me she was pregnant with our first child. It's something you don't forget. But I couldn't tell you a damn thing about what I was doing just a few minutes before the news. Couldn't tell you if I went straight home from work or if I stopped somewhere in between.
I'm not really trying to proclaim Adnan's innocence, I just find this discussion on how the human brain selectively remembers certain things interesting.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 10:17 am
Page 13 of 16
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News