re: The Batman: Out Now!!! Spoilers Are Welcome Here

While I liked the parallels of “Renewal” to the slush funds our own politicians make of our tax dollars,

This one just doesn’t hold a candle to BB or TDK. It’s too moody. I felt like I was watching Batman in a Saw movie directed by David Fincher. It all felt borrowed to me. I get that artists borrow, but good ones make it feel new (like Nolan: “ I’ve seen this before, but I’m not sure quite where or quite in this way.”) Catwoman’s entire plot is exactly the same as Pfeiffer’s in the Burton movies only with daddy instead of the boss.

I like Paul Dano but he annoyed the crap out of me.

Nothing was remotely funny or light hearted. Nothing. Even Ledger’s Joker got several laughs.

Why the frick was it raining? All the damn time? Depressing.

And it feels like 3 hours. I have no desire to sit through it again.

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Nothing was remotely funny or light hearted. Nothing. Even Ledger’s Joker got several laughs.

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I lol'd at this

I saw it the other day and enjoyed it. Here are thoughts from the film:

Score was great. Film was dark and often very effective. At times the action scenes were great. Moments I really enjoyed included a fight in the last third of the movie in close quarters with machine gun fire as the only illumination.

Kige the compliments for Colin Ferrel. He was excellent in the supporting role. In the car chase the Batmobile was the sound and fury but the Penguin really engineered an excellent near death trap by wrecking the 18 Wheeler.

Zoe Kravitz was beautiful and mostly convincing as Catwoman. The movie did not chicken out by making her physically superior to Batman in the heads up fight which is a trap they easily could have fallen into and would have ruined Batman's credibility plowing through groups of violent men in other scenes. She was however too foolish in the nightclub when it came to pumping the criminals and DA's flunkies - I didn't buy that lack of street smarts from a woman who was supposedly living a very tough life having been raised on the wrong side of the tracks (especially when she knew the dangers of the criminal element there). It was also really foolish dialogue to slip in the white privilege line because it didn't fit the movie and didn't fit the character (it's language mostly used by affluent white people with college degrees). Setting aside those issues she was a charismatic character and I found myself crediting her and RP as having real chemistry.

I liked RP as Batman and didn't mind his version of Bruce Wayne. He strongly reminded me of the Brandon Lee Crow character but it's a look and he has a strong starting point to show character growth going forward.

The Alfred character was shorted somewhat because of time constraints and they didn't find a way to incorporate him (or the older female housekeeper who answered the phone) efficiently earlier in the film. That was a mistake because both of those characters belong with the Wayne character and don't take more than a line or two to better develop.

I loved a lot about the Riddler character. Being physically frail wasn't a barrier to being formidable but I think he left another shoe to drop. In spite of some discussion to the contrary it seemed clear that he absolutely must have figured out who Bruce Wayne really was- the giveaway for that seemed to be in the Riddler's lair when he has two different newspapers taped on the wall amongst his crazy person collage. Read on the left "Who is the Batman?" And then notice that he taped a headline with "Bruce Wayne" immediately to the right. Even if you assumed no one knew until the DA showed up wearing a bomb necklace it would have been clear then when Bruce disappeared and Batman appeared (from a Batbooth?)

Anyway, really strong movie on the balance. I hope they pursue the Hush storyline in a non movie format because of the complexity and number of characters involved. The Catwoman getting a spinoff could precede the Hush storyline and also help bring the general film audience up to speed before trying to manage too many characters too quickly (like other recent DC movies). Doing something with the Penguin seems like a good option. Joker is great but we've seen so many versions and the Penguin makes for a more interesting colorful addition.

Because he’s not supposed to be a playboy Bruce Wayne yet. He’s just now figured out his Batman persona. He hasn’t figured out Bruce Wayne yet. That’s the point


I really don’t understand what’s so hard about that to understand

Saw it today. It was good but dark knight is better. I was a bit dissapointed with Dano’s performance, his monologue towards the end could have been way better. Also, it seemed like in his videos he has a lisp and in real time he didn’t, could be wrong. I liked Pattinson and thought the penguin was the best part. Would definitely watch a sequel as it’s apparent they may revamp the joker

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I lol'd at this

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there's another line in that scene that was humerous:

gamble: :slamstable: enough from the clown! :getsuptoconfrontjoker:

joker: da-da-da-da... let's not "blow".... this out of proportion :dangleshandgrenadesinsideofjacket:

gamble: you think you can just steal from us and walk away?

joker: ...yeah.


it would've been more hilarious if heath had responded with a formed question "yeah"

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Nothing was remotely funny or light hearted. Nothing.

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That says more about you than it does the movie, which had plenty of levity. It just wasn’t the kind of humor you find in a Marvel movie.

I feel like it was always known to be whatever the buffer is...40-45 days. I can't wait so I can rewatch and pick up what I missed on first view.

Saw it for the second time today and actually enjoyed the third act a lot more this time. It’s actually not bad at all. It just feels off because of the big moment with Falcone right before they catch Riddler. That moment felt bigger than when they actually caught the guy they’ve been chasing half the movie for, which is why it feels wonky to me in those sections. Granted, Falcone is a HUGE player in the corruption but him combined with Bruce and Selina’s relationship with him just took over a little too much.


To me, after a repeat viewing, that section, starting right after Alfred’s bomb scare right until their capture of Riddler, is the part that could have used some cutting. Up until that point, the movie is flawless. And the third act, while not as strong, as the first two acts, is weighed down not by the flood and Batman’s fight and rescue, but by Bruce’s inner conflict that was hamfisted in and then quickly resolved. Could have even saved that for the next movie in a Court of Owls but Reeves just blew his load on the screenplay.

Still a near perfect Batman movie for me but that section right after the bomb and until they capture Riddler is definitely the weakest part. The only reason people won’t skip it when they stream it is that Batman’s infiltration of the Iceberg Lounge is still 10/10.