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re: Succession Alert
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:13 am to hiltacular
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:13 am to hiltacular
None of the kids have an identity outside of being a Roy. (Roman comes closest in being a pervert 
) All three ending up on the outside was the only way this could have ended credibly.
Logan knew his children well. They were only taken seriously because of their last name. It's not clear that any one of them can actually DO anything. They remind me of a bunch of first year MBA students working on a group project, talking about strategy, big decisions, etc, but who have no actual work experience.
Tom is the only one who has actually been doing anything approximating work this season. He might be a puppet, but he has been running the network. Kendall is a loser, Roman is nuts, and Shiv is an entitled brat with zero accomplishments. The idea that she could run that company is laughable. Would love to see the new dynamic between her and Tom given that he has the whip hand now.
) All three ending up on the outside was the only way this could have ended credibly. Logan knew his children well. They were only taken seriously because of their last name. It's not clear that any one of them can actually DO anything. They remind me of a bunch of first year MBA students working on a group project, talking about strategy, big decisions, etc, but who have no actual work experience.
Tom is the only one who has actually been doing anything approximating work this season. He might be a puppet, but he has been running the network. Kendall is a loser, Roman is nuts, and Shiv is an entitled brat with zero accomplishments. The idea that she could run that company is laughable. Would love to see the new dynamic between her and Tom given that he has the whip hand now.
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:26 am to coolpapaboze
What was the deal with Roman wanting to call into the vote? Looking at his scar in a reflection after seeing Gerri.. he definitely has a thing for her, right? Huge age gap obviously, but they had some tension for awhile (mostly from his end I'd wager), but that was the point of that, right?
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:31 am to Open Your Eyes
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Shiv flipping at the literal last second happened why?
When Kendall kicked his feet up on Logan's desk and offered Stewy in "the pot" as a chairman was when Shiv turned. You could see her whole demeanor change
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:38 am to Oenophile Brah
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This was one of my biggest quibbles with the finale. Kendall is making the right moves but when it comes time to nail Shiv down he makes a selfish pitch? He doesn’t make the obvious sale to her vanity with potential for future power? She’s a nobody barely married to the ceo compared to a board member. Even for an emotional animal, it’s not believable for a selfish person.
Cut your nose to spite your face. At that moment, her jealousy of seeing her brother in the big chair outweighed any thought of her future place in the company.
Now I'm not sure if her holding Tom's hand at the end was to signal that she knew she had one last card to play and her brothers now do not. Up for discussion.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:44 am to NIH
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Controlling Tom how? Tom can tell her to kick rocks minus the kid.
She can't control him. Tom flipped the power in his marriage even before he became CEO. Shiv came to him the past few episodes trying to subtly resolve things and he didn't take the bait either time.
Tom Wambsgans avoided prison, flipped the power dynamic in his marriage, got in Mattsson's good graces, and still managed to keep Greg subservient to him.
Tom might be a pin cushion but he won on all fronts.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 9:51 am to Open Your Eyes
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You keep saying this but leaving out the very important detail that all those previous flaky moments were shiv acting in her own interest, choosing to do what’s best for her. Including the open marriage.
She’s repeatedly cut her nose off to spite her face. The open marriage definitely wasn’t what was best for her in reality, even though she thought it was. She passed up Logan’s offer to gain experience in the business over a 3 year period because she wanted to be in now. She passed up Gil’s offer to remain in politics (where she would’ve been better served).
Over and over she’s made decisions she thought was in her best interest but really weren’t and put her in far worse positions.
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That’s not what happened last night. She chose to act in a manner that puts her in a decidedly worse position. In terms of power. In terms of what has always been important to her character. In terms of everything.
She thinks she can get an in with Tom because she’s been able to manipulate him in the past. I don’t think she realized until after the fact that she fricked herself and this isn’t the same Tom who needed her for his power. She hates that Kendall, of the three siblings, would’ve been the best option (they had the votes if she voted no) and that she’s not considered the smartest person in the room. She passed up being over ATN, which would given her significant influence because she was mad that she was played as a potential CEO.
Doing the thing that isn’t the best thing for herself when it’s all said and done is literally her MO at this point. She always thinks she’s the most clever, smartest person in the room but continually makes decisions that shows she’s not. That is about as on brand as it gets for her.
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:00 am to Open Your Eyes
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shiv acting in her own interest, choosing to do what’s best for her. Including the open marriage.
Someone posted earlier in this thread that Shiv operates out of spite. And I think that's the key here. Even with the open marriage thing, she didn't give a frick about Nate. She was doing it to spite Tom. And now she had the opportunity to spite Kendall in front of everyone in the board room.
I don't get why people are having trouble seeing Shiv turn. If anything, it's the night before when she comes around to the idea that they should anoint Kendall that's hard to believe. The offer to Stewey and Ken's ridiculous presentation of himself in the boardroom triggered it. She's also pregnant and pregnant women change their mind every 5 minutes and act out of emotion. She was going to have to crown either Ken or Tom. She chose the one she's having a baby with and will be forced to be involved with for a lifetime, providing her more influence than her 2 brothers will ever get. She "won" over the other 2.
I also enjoyed the "meal fit for a king" scene. It was a very Will Ferrell-esque scene. But throughout this entire show we never had a moment to remind us that these 3 are siblings after all, and there had to be a time when they were kids that they actually liked each other. And then the scene with the recording of Logan to remind them all that they were more of the cause of their poor relationship with their father than they thought. Logan could have nice moments with everyone except them. And then they immediately devolve into tearing each other apart.
I enjoyed the finale. Any of the kids getting it would have destroyed the company. It leaves us thinking Ken kills himself, Rome accepts that he's bullshite, and Shiv will make one last play for power through Tom. And the Greg slap and Kendall calling Rome a cuck had me
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:00 am to southpawcock
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What was the deal with Roman wanting to call into the vote? Looking at his scar in a reflection after seeing Gerri.. he definitely has a thing for her, right? Huge age gap obviously, but they had some tension for awhile (mostly from his end I'd wager), but that was the point of that, right?
He basically said he didn’t want to look like an even bigger pussy (with the stitches) after his meltdown at the church and basically losing his shot at being solo CEO.
And yeah, he didn’t want Gerri to see him like that. He’s long had a thing for Gerri.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:04 am to stout
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Tom might be a pin cushion but he won on all fronts.
Only because he is such a pathetic creature that he only cares about social climbing. He may be in Mattson's good graces but he doesn't have his respect.
The bar is low for Tom. Oh, and having Shiv for a baby momma ain't a win.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:05 am to southpawcock
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What was the deal with Roman wanting to call into the vote? Looking at his scar in a reflection after seeing Gerri.. he definitely has a thing for her, right?
I took it as despite all that weirdness Gerri was the only one who thought he had it in him to be CEO and she also knows how much he thinks Kendall shouldn’t be in charge. Her being in the same room with him ceding power to Ken is embarrassing and shameful for him.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:09 am to Jorts R Us
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Only because he is such a pathetic creature that he only cares about social climbing. He may be in Mattson's good graces but he doesn't have his respect.
Agreed but he got what he wanted and none of the kids got what they wanted so by that standard Tom was the only winner.
And maybe Greg won a little while playing both sides but he is stuck being Tom's bitch.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:10 am to Adam Banks
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I took it as despite all that weirdness Gerri was the only one who thought he had it in him to be CEO and she also knows how much he thinks Kendall shouldn’t be in charge. Her being in the same room with him ceding power to Ken is embarrassing and shameful for him.
This is exactly what it was. Gerri told him she could have gotten him to the top.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:12 am to stout
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And maybe Greg won a little while playing both sides but he is stuck being Tom's bitch.
True. Worse things in life than 200k a year and being a Disgusting Brother.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:13 am to stout
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Gerri told him she could have gotten him to the top.
She says “I could’ve gotten you there” which was a nice little double entendre given their prior relationship
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:16 am to BluegrassBelle
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Over and over she’s made decisions she thought was in her best interest but really weren’t and put her in far worse positions.
Exactly my point. Everything you listed has a clear benefit for shiv that’s an obvious reason she chose that path. Her not being able to think beyond her own immediate benefit from the decisions doesn’t mean it’s not there.
What is the clear benefit for shiv with the path she chose in the finale?
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She thinks she can get an in with Tom because she’s been able to manipulate him in the past.
Let’s pretend this is true and ignore everything indicating it’s not.
This means that her entire worth and meaning in life is completely dependent on Tom, a very obvious figurehead that nobody respects and she has openly stated is beneath her. She is now another version of Willa.
How is that consistent with her character throughout the show?
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She passed up being over ATN, which would given her significant influence because she was mad that she was played as a potential CEO.
No. Being over ATN wasn’t even an option until she joined up with Kendall after being played as a potential CEO.
She passed up being over ATN in hopes of being the wife of a figurehead that she thinks is beneath her.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:22 am to Open Your Eyes
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Exactly my point. Everything you listed has a clear benefit for shiv that’s an obvious reason she chose that path. Her not being able to think beyond her own immediate benefit from the decisions doesn’t mean it’s not there. What is the clear benefit for shiv with the path she chose in the finale
The clear benefit is that her stock etc will still be worth something and her child will be in a solid position in waystar royco. Kendall will sink the company. So having someone serious run it is to her benefit
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:25 am to mule74
quote:Kendal said “their is no sharks in Bim”. I had subtitles on
was in Barbados.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:27 am to lsupride87
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Kendal said “their is no sharks in Bim”. I had subtitles on
They filmed those scenes in Barbados, and Bim is another name for Barbados.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:41 am to Stonehog
quote:Just like a spoiled kid.
But Kendall went from future CEO, to burnout, to lackey, to sexual pioneer on drugs, to whistleblower, to passing out in the pool, then back to future CEO, to bumbling idiot and finally assaulting his brother screaming Vote for meee! He was so up and down throughout the series it was hard to pin down who the real Kendall was.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:47 am to Jorts R Us
It looked a lot like Barbados and it was an English colony so makes since a rich English woman would have an estate there. My wife and I did our honeymoon there and plenty of big houses on plots of land just like that one.
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