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Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:24 pm to fr33manator
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Because it's never happened before, and inexplicably the only black stormtrooper in the entire galaxy is the one that did it?
Who says that hasn't happened before. Whenever the Stormtroopers are on screen, they are directly apprehending rebels, not massacring the innocent. We saw that here though.
Plus we never see Stormtrooper's skins, so whose to say we haven't seen a black Stormtrooper before?
EDIT: granted, they did murder Owen and Beru, but it was still off screen.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:27 pm to OMLandshark
i don't care that he's black
i assumed from the previews he would have that kind of moral issue (even if it was forced in the movie itself)
ignoring those 2 things, everything else he did/said was terrible, even down to the actor's delivery of his lines (it has this annoying energetic tone)
i assumed from the previews he would have that kind of moral issue (even if it was forced in the movie itself)
ignoring those 2 things, everything else he did/said was terrible, even down to the actor's delivery of his lines (it has this annoying energetic tone)
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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apparently "taking a joke" didn't make the list
Yeah, at least I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he has gotten poon before.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:42 pm to SG_Geaux
quote:That's one way to put it, but I just thought it was a huge misstep in character development. For many, many people, Han Solo was the star of Star Wars, not Luke. It's part of the reason Harrison Ford became an epic hero figure in other movies like Indiana Jones, and Mark Hamill faded into obscurity.
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I thought he deserved a more heroic death, one of his own choice
Which IMO is what made his death more gut wrenching.
The prequels' biggest lacking, IMO, was the absence of a Solo-like character (and having one is part of why Firefly and GOTG were so fun). He didn't have mystical Force powers, he just was a cool bad-arse that was so fun to watch. It was his actions, not his gifts, that made him special.
His death was necessary to move the focus on to the new characters, and to refocus back on the Force user (Rey in this case), which I think Lucas had actually intended in the first place.
I guess the best way to say it is this- Han Solo was the original prototype for the gunslinger space hero, and it's disappointing that his death is far less special than so many of his later copies. He should have gone out in a blaze of glory, something legendary.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:48 pm to OMLandshark
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Who says that hasn't happened before.
Rest of the Star
Wars universe.
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Plus we never see Stormtrooper's skins, so whose to say we haven't seen a black Stormtrooper before?
Well, none of them turn their blasters sideways...
But seriously...entire rest of the support staff we see without masks, all the officers, pretty much all characters aside from Lando, Mace, and that one guy apparently in the rebellion now...
I mean, it doesn't even strike you as a little odd?
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:51 pm to fr33manator
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Rest of the Star
Wars universe.
You mean all those books from the EU that are not canon?
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:54 pm to Scoob
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I guess the best way to say it is this- Han Solo was the original prototype for the gunslinger space hero, and it's disappointing that his death is far less special than so many of his later copies. He should have gone out in a blaze of glory, something legendary.
To each his own, but I prefer a beautiful poignant death over an epic one. Han's death was the former, and is used as the character defining moment for his son. I understand what you're saying, but I personally think his death was perfect and a great way to end the character from where he started in A New Hope.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:56 pm to SG_Geaux
Or any of the other films.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:57 pm to OMLandshark
solo was way too old to be given a hero's death. it just wouldn't work well on screen
an emotional death that serves a purpose is much better storytelling imho
an emotional death that serves a purpose is much better storytelling imho
Posted on 12/20/15 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yep.
I liked the parallels to A New Hope, but they definitely had a lot of plot railroading in it. I really wish they had just disabled starkiller base instead of destroyed it.
I liked the parallels to A New Hope, but they definitely had a lot of plot railroading in it. I really wish they had just disabled starkiller base instead of destroyed it.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:01 pm to blueboy
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blueboy
So pathetic. I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:02 pm to saintsfan92612
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I really wish they had just disabled starkiller base instead of destroyed it.
My biggest complaint for the movie for sure.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:05 pm to OMLandshark
i found this ending to a review that is pretty good summarizing the movie
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But The Force Awakens is still more or less a fetish object, a film that exists to inspire phrases like “It feels like Star Wars again” ad nauseam from a fanbase that equates the lasting impact of Lucas's prequels as something akin to PTSD. Its analog grain, practical effects work (shrewdly augmented with CGI), and the impression, at least, of a new story in this universe being told, rather than the predetermined one we were subjected to last time, lend Abrams's effort a baseline rejuvenation, one he and returning screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan stoke throughout with the kind of nostalgia this series has been exploiting since it first co-opted John Fordian vistas and plot points from Akira Kurosawa films. The strategy works because mining mythology gives the impression of discovery, but one hopes that having thoroughly dredged that particular well for all possible returns, the next Star Wars installment may go looking for this franchise's future instead of safely dwelling in its past.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:10 pm to OMLandshark
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Finn was a red herring for Rey being the true protagonist. And I really don't see why it's so unbelievable that a single Stormtrooper abandoned his post after having to massacre an innocent village.
As I've said, I have no problem with a single stormtrooper abandoning the First Order after the massacre. I just think his character shouldn't have been a lowly private who didn't like what he was doing. Captain Phasma or an experienced TIE fighter pilot refusing to bomb the village would have given the character more depth and back story to work from.
Instead we have some kid who was recruited into the Order at a young age and pissed his pants on his first mission after seeing his buddy killed and ran away.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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from a fanbase that equates the lasting impact of Lucas's prequels as something akin to PTSD.
I am so guilty of this. Nothing can quite press my buttons on how much Jorge fricked up the prequels.
And yeah, I find that review pretty spot on. This is one of the most important establishing movies ever made due to the fact that they're going to make a movie every single year for the rest of time. They had to get our faith back in the franchise in order for this plan to work. If the Force Awakens couldn't do that, then they're largely screwed. I just wanted good characters and heart similar to the original trilogy, without any over the top bullshite that the prequels had. the Force Awakens absolutely excelled in these parts.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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an emotional death that serves a purpose is much better storytelling imho
Exactly, and it paves the way for Luke to come in and be a total badass.
ETA - I just watched it for the first time. Not going through 70 pages of this thread.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:21 pm to Scoob
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For many, many people, Han Solo was the star of Star Wars, not Luke.
Han Solo being the most likable character does not make him the main character. It's like Rick and Daryl in The Walking Dead. Rick is the main character but Daryl is the fan favorite. Luke Skywalker was the main character of Star Wars. Star Wars is the saga of the Skywalker family.
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He should have gone out in a blaze of glory, something legendary.
Showing love for his child right after being run through with a lightsaber by said child is pretty epic and legendary in my book. His final act was an act of love. That's pretty awesome in my opinion. It also fully completes his character arc which began all the way back in Episode IV.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I disagree. He's not some random old guy, he's Han Solo. His body may be failing him, but his presence is still there. He's a legendary gunslinger.
solo was way too old to be given a hero's death. it just wouldn't work well on screen
Consider the Clint Eastwood westerns, the Man With No Name movies. To me, Han Solo is on that same level. Then consider the movie "Unforgiven", as he plays basically the same gunslinger, but aged and failing physically. He's able to summon one last legendary, epic moment, when it seems that he is too old... and then he ends up riding off into the sunset. That was considered by many to be a brilliant conclusion to Eastwood's cowboy hero.
We could have had something similar, with a death at the end, by his own decision (and I guess we did, as he did choose to return, unscathed, to face his son). I just think it would have been better served, instead of him falling to oblivion, for him to have fallen, all to seem lost, and then for him to have a last moment of life, and trigger the bombs himself.
Just a thought, I'm still processing this movie.
Posted on 12/20/15 at 2:27 pm to blueboy
The face you are still in this thread shitting all over the movie all proves even more how miserable you are
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