re: Sinners is on max

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I thought it would have been cool for the Native Americans to make another appearance.

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I would've bet my life that they ended up being the equalizer to help overcome the unbelievable disadvantage in numbers

This was a surprisingly ok movie. The soundtrack really added to it.

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Movie was pretty good. Nothing earth shattering. Really no desire to watch it again, but it was entertaining.

Why did they keep running back outside? That part was dumb, seems like Hailee could have fricked some shite up right after she got Stack, and then they did it again at the end. Did they explain that?

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I didn't understand that either. I just went with it.

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Worth a watch?

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One watch, ok maybe. But it was absolute average at best. The first hour was a complete waste of time you’ll never get back. Once the vampire stuff started to develop, it got pretty good. And then it flopped at the end.

It has ZERO rewatchability


I went in really wanting to like it and couldn’t wait to stream after reading about it on this board. Now I know never to trust this board again.

I watched it last night.

The production was great other than shitty CGI (and a lot of it wasn't necessary like the damage for vampires after being shot. No reason not to use tactile prosthetics there).

It was....Ok. I do agree with a comment made a week or 2 on here discussing Jordan Peele where someone said Ryan Coogler is who Jordan Peele thinks he is (paraphrasing).

I'm not a fan of overtly allegorical horror and horror that is intentionally not scary. This movie was both of those things in copious amounts. I was also not a fan of the jumps from linear storylines (the non-white culture over time montage and the Irish jig by Paddy Mayne).

The biggest issue to me is that the metaphors/allegories seem to be jumbled and don't really work. They did not spend enough time on the vampires to establish their symbolism as exploitation of black culture, for example. However, further, I don't think the comments by Merrick about helping them fight the Klan were insincere, which muddles that angle a bit. Then add in the Irish jig scene and it really gets muddled, as this showed the melding of the black vampires into Irish culture which was the reverse of the exploitation and appropriation the vampires were supposed to be. Also the only time the vampires played appropriated black music was to the mixed-white character (which I guess can play as the bridge to appropriation)

And then in the mid-credit scene, Remmick was gone and the vampires still exist? As only a black man and a mixed woman. Why?

The "sinner" aspect plays better with the music being the sin/devil (as stated by the preacher-father), but this REALLY hurts the exploitation-appropriation allegory, which clearly wasn't the goal.

As someone said on this page

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This gets to one of my main complaints about the movie. It is so reliant on metaphors that it sometimes loses its own plot on in service to clunky metaphors.

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I think a lot of the hype and superlatives are due to the intermingling of the music and the story. You could almost say it's a movie about blues music with some vampires sprinkled in.

How much you like the movie is probably highly dependent on how you feel about the soundtrack/score.

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The problem is that in terms of the allegory, the music is what muddles it the most.

This is a horror movie for the Jenna Ortega character in 2022 Scream.

I finally watched it last night. It was....fine. I actually really liked the way it tried to use music, it at least added some surrealness to the night. I think it might have been better if they never showed the vampires being vampires until Haliee eats Stack. I also thought the fight with the KKK at the end seemed out of place maybe? The pacing of it felt off.

Decent movie to watch while the wife is away, but don't think I'll watch it again.

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I also thought the fight with the KKK at the end seemed out of place maybe? The pacing of it felt off.

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That and the flash forward with the dance scene.

Edit: I see some dv's. So you folks liked the the scene with future of music being intertwined? I liked the connection to the past, but it was strange to try to connect it to the future.

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I also thought the fight with the KKK at the end seemed out of place maybe? The pacing of it felt off.

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Hogwood was always the real villain of the story. Even though he’s a vampire, Smoke believes Remmick’s warning at the end for a reason.

Coogler not so subtly opining that xenophobia is worse than being a vampire.

The part I thought was weird was the very very end with Buddy & the way the 90s vampires act vs the meat of the movie, but I’ll look past this because the whole thing was fun as hell.

Especially if you love music & especially if you have a soft spot for delta blues, bluegrass, roots music in general.

The movie wants to say some things, and there are some arthouse / cinemaphile sequences to feast on — but it’s also not taking itself too seriously.

Seems like grindhouse is a significant influence here, a lot of people critiquing it like it was meant to be citizen kane are overlooking that.

My guess is if you enjoy Tarantino movies you will probably get a kick out of this.

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You sound like a huge pussy.

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Yeah, you have to not be very smart to not recognize Mary and even Remmick are meant to be sympathetic characters.

Remmick was an oppressed Irish immigrant. Mary is partially a commentary on the challenges & even dangers of being “white-presenting”, which still persist. And an interracial relationship is one of the core romances.

Coogler makes a concerted effort to not be hypocritical in any underlying criticisms of racism.

God forbid the KKK get wrecked at the end of a reconstruction era period piece lol.

You're right

I did not think about this in real time but it was definitely a Tarantino moment, which has always hurt his end product (like Inglorious Basterds and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood)

It's just random 70s exploitation pulp for the sake of having 70s exploitation pulp

Not my preference