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re: Silicon Valley Season 3!!!

Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:05 pm to
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But they are not just geeks. They are programmer geeks. They derive maximal satisfaction from exercising control over the most minute details. This isn't your friend that casually watches Star Trek and proclaims how nerdy they are. This is the person that writes programs to automate mundane tasks just because they can and for them it's fun.


The thing is, I've been one of those people for a very long time, and I can tell you, no one wants to deal with all that complexity all the time. You want it to be available when necessary, but you want it to be nicely abstracted away for regular use so you normally aren't distracted by it. Distractions waste time and breed errors.

Again, there is ample prior art WRT to the presets, and I can't believe they're ignorant of it, or that they believe they can get away with not implementing the feature. So that bar is already set; they don't even have to eat their own dog food to discover their app is clunky.

It's doubly unbelievable that Monica was unable to articulate what she didn't like about it beyond "everything", and that all the beta testers loved it. I've never been on a beta where everyone and his brother didn't have a ton of suggestions. IRL, I expect the #1 comment would have been, "You guys ever hear of presets?"

Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24834 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:11 pm to
Jared is now one of my favorite characters.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90049 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:20 pm to
Don't see how the CEO of Hooli can personally own pied piper stock when he just bought end frame for $250mm

I think he sold his board seat back to Raviga so now Laurie has a majority with or without Monica's vote
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130199 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:22 pm to
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He essentially stole 1 million from big head. What fantasy version of Bachman have you built up in your head.


He wouldn't do that to Richard. He actually cares about Richard.
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13489 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:26 pm to
Anyone else finding Laurie more attractive with each passing episode?

Am I weird?
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90049 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:31 pm to
The next episode is titled bachmann's earnings override

So maybe ehrlich took out a loan against pied piper future earnings?
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 6:41 am to
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Anyone else finding Laurie more attractive with each passing episode?



I almost posted this last night. But I started googling who the actress was and yada yada yada I'm really tired this morning.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37516 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:09 am to
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The thing is, I've been one of those people for a very long time, and I can tell you, no one wants to deal with all that complexity all the time. You want it to be available when necessary, but you want it to be nicely abstracted away for regular use so you normally aren't distracted by it. Distractions waste time and breed errors.

Again, there is ample prior art WRT to the presets, and I can't believe they're ignorant of it, or that they believe they can get away with not implementing the feature. So that bar is already set; they don't even have to eat their own dog food to discover their app is clunky.


I agree with this at some level. That level of tunnel vision is a problem that someone should have called out by now.

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It's doubly unbelievable that Monica was unable to articulate what she didn't like about it beyond "everything


She's probably embarrassed because of the social pressure. She's a non techie, non geek, non male presence in the middle of some very high level geeks who are not known for their ability to handle differences or criticism very well. Social pressure prevents people from identifying naked emperors.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
90280 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:20 am to
Loved this episode, show keeps rolling at a high level.

One thing I did find odd was gavin's freakout. Despite his hiring the people he already fired, this is a guy smart enough and business savvy enough to lead this massive, billion dollar company but he thinks the whole thing will come crashign down because his personal laptop got a virus? And he thinks his staff can work with no power in the building? I know he was freakign out but it just seemed a bit of a stretch.

And yeah Jared continues to deliver line after line.
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:22 am to
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he thinks the whole thing will come crashign down because his personal laptop got a virus?


I thought he was worried the hacker would gain access to the plethora of illegal and unethical things he does on his laptop. They spent the episode showing you that he has a "security advisor" who's only job is to steal things and monitor things etc...
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
26131 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:28 am to
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The UI is clunky, everyone who Beta tested was in the industry and liked the high level user interface, even Hooli. The public may not. We'll have to see.


If that becomes an issue all they have to do is have a "simple" and "advanced" mode for the UI.

Very easy fix.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
90280 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:29 am to
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I thought he was worried the hacker would gain access to the plethora of illegal and unethical things he does on his laptop.


IF that was the case you'd think he'd just get rid of the laptop, or at least focus his angst on that.

He had power to the building shut down then asked his team to beat PP to market, while already WELL behind, by coding on their phones. I know Gavin lacks some "common sense" type things (like the firing then rehiring) but he wouldn't be where he is today without some business smarts and at least a pretty damn good understanding of the market and the industry in general.
Posted by musick
the internet
Member since Dec 2008
26131 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:34 am to
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Not sure how much he sold but I'm sticking with this guy buying the shares.


He didn't sell the shares to Gavin

That's the last thing that would happen. If anything he probably asked Lori to buy out or loan him against how ever much he owed on the party (I think it was only $1 million out of his $25 million)

You don't get to Gavin this way. He just made some sort of deal with Lori, I don't even see how you arrived at Gavin here...because they "Can't keep him in the mix any other way" is a retarded premise. They still have the tech blog girl out there and also the super security hacker guy. He's not going anywhere.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 7:38 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
90280 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:46 am to
This is probably a dumb question, but can big head/erlich not just sell the tech blog? They paid $500K for it (probably waaaaaaay more than it's worth) but even if they sell at a major loss, even if they recoup $250K wouldn't that help pay down their debts?
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
Houston
Member since Jun 2015
4243 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 7:48 am to
With Big Head involved, it will likely blow up right as they try to sell and they will make a killing.
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
20202 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:23 am to
Jian Yang's prank calls destroyed me

Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52274 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:25 am to
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That's the last thing that would happen. If anything he probably asked Lori to buy out or loan him against how ever much he owed on the party (I think it was only $1 million out of his $25 million)


If that's the case Richard wouldn't be mad at all at him
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14918 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:28 am to
I would think if Erlich had sold his shares to Gavin he would be more likely to have a heart to heart with Richard and the team rather than Lori. Besides, you would also think the sale of such a sizeable chunk of the company would require board approval or at least right of first refusal by the board.

If he went back to talk to Lori about his shares it was probably to gauge her interest in purchasing them.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74812 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:51 am to
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The thing is, I've been one of those people for a very long time, and I can tell you, no one wants to deal with all that complexity all the time. You want it to be available when necessary, but you want it to be nicely abstracted away for regular use so you normally aren't distracted by it. Distractions waste time and breed errors.

Again, there is ample prior art WRT to the presets, and I can't believe they're ignorant of it, or that they believe they can get away with not implementing the feature. So that bar is already set; they don't even have to eat their own dog food to discover their app is clunky.

It's doubly unbelievable that Monica was unable to articulate what she didn't like about it beyond "everything", and that all the beta testers loved it. I've never been on a beta where everyone and his brother didn't have a ton of suggestions. IRL, I expect the #1 comment would have been, "You guys ever hear of presets?"


this, I engineer server solutions in O&G. The over complicated UI is a road bump, but a minor one at best because of how ground breaking this technology would be. The "BETA" period they are calling it, would never ever happen that way IRL. Never. Ever. And sure, if we played along with the story...maybe all the techies in that industry they handed out keys to, would love it. But more than likely, you would still have a small majority, who could pick and poke out bugs and issues left and right. "fresh eyes". Then, once they expanded the BETA to a much larger audience or more diverse market, they'd get killed for the UI being over complicated and not straight lined for the average user or business user. Even these group of nerds, wouldn't just rush into a full release without a lot and i mean a lot more testing and user feedback. It's their baby, they want all the feedback they can get, so when it does release it's flawless. And there's no way Lauri and Aviga would allow this rushed release.

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If that becomes an issue all they have to do is have a "simple" and "advanced" mode for the UI.

Very easy fix.


ding ding ding. correct. this will be the solution or in real life would be the solution. but this is a TV drama.

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She's probably embarrassed because of the social pressure. She's a non techie, non geek, non male presence in the middle of some very high level geeks who are not known for their ability to handle differences or criticism very well. Social pressure prevents people from identifying naked emperors.


I agree, it is likely the social pressure from being Richard's "friend", but she should still urge them to BETA test to a larger audience and more diverse user group, instead of just playing along to avoid hurting Richard's feewings. Again, IRL, no way Lauri and Monica would let them just release Pied Piper in the way they plan to. That's their job, to herd these nerds into making a profitable product.

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One thing I did find odd was gavin's freakout. Despite his hiring the people he already fired, this is a guy smart enough and business savvy enough to lead this massive, billion dollar company but he thinks the whole thing will come crashign down because his personal laptop got a virus? And he thinks his staff can work with no power in the building? I know he was freakign out but it just seemed a bit of a stretch.


Haha. I agree. I thought it was overkill, but I got a good chuckle out of his reaction for 2 reasons. 1) It's very Gavin like. Overreact and loose his mind anytime he's not on top.

2) It reminded me of a time, where i work, where we got his hard by a very evasive worm in one of our data centers in the Middle East. It was because a hacker was systematically having USB sticks dropped in the parking lots. At some point, someone picked one up. Thought to themselves, "ohh sweet, a free USB stick.....i wonder what's on it." Then proceeded to plug it into their company laptop. Heck, not sure on the details but it may have been a datacenter employee, who plugged it into one of our servers. Caused a huge meltdown for us, entire data center had to be wiped and rebuilt from scratch.

Of course the high level managers didn't like hearing this, we were losing millions by the hour. So instead of consulting the true techies on an easy solution to prevent external media from anywhere being stuck into company equipment. One of the higher up IT managers ignorantly suggested we buy up a ton of superglue and put superglue in all the free USB slots in the data center.

hilarious to the rest of us, but eventually someone told him we could force a policy update across the company for every piece of equipment not to read external media via USB. this was 10+ years ago.

But the Gavin freak out reminded me of that story.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 8:58 am
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25426 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:55 am to
There was an implication that his laptop was tied to all the other profiles in the system. When meeting with the security officer first they mentioned that they found out about the announcement for the beta from snooping on the engineers email and said that they filtered all employees emails for information. When the virus was downloaded the engineer said that he didn't have to worry about it hurting the system because it would only affect Gavin's profile. Then Gavin realizes that it will spread to everyone's profile because he has them connected to his, and he is going to be exposed for spying on all of his employees. That's why he freaked out. After that telling them to continue working after the power was cut was just part of his humorous freak out. It didn't make sense, but he was on edge and just trying to distract from the scene that he just made with the first thing that came to mind.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 8:59 am
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