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Should Tom have figured out "It was Barzini all along" himself, and a lot sooner?

Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:00 am
Posted by Tarik One
Member since May 2016
2094 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:00 am
Was this something that could have been surmised by a "wartime" consigliere, long before the meeting of the families?
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
7729 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:03 am to
I don't believe so. He had a lot of other shite to worry about at the time.

I think the Don himself figured it out at the meeting of the families. It was there he read them all like a good poker player.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 8:05 am
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
14181 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:04 am to
I don't remember the finer points but I think Tom needed the experience and instincts of the Don to sift this out.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36061 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:34 am to
Tom was smart. He was very smart.

But he was no Sansa Stark.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32969 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:43 am to
Barzini kind of took over the meeting. That’s when Vito realized what was going on. Tom probably should have suspected it at that point, but he was more worried about the day to day logistics.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95788 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:55 am to
Tom had spent the war to that point trying to manage Sonny, which was a losing battle.

It’s hard to focus on your enemies when you have trouble keeping your boss / brother thinking straight.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51432 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:12 am to
Yup. Barzini talked too much at that meeting.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38829 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:40 am to
quote:

“Tattaglia is a pimp. He never could have outfought Santino. But I didn't know until this day that it was Barzini all along.”

the don figured it out at the meeting, when barzini showed himself

how was it that tom should have known sooner?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27570 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:49 am to
Barzini got his in the end along with Tattaglia and Moe Green.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37655 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 11:56 am to
Even The Don wasn’t sure until Barzini stepped-in at the Commission meeting when Philip Tattaglia was trying to talk shite to Vito about judges and politicians.

Remember, when Vito and Tom got back in the car and Tom asked about insisting that Tattaglia’s people have clean records and The Don told Tom that Tattaglia was a pimp who never could have out-foxed Santino .... but he didn’t realize until the very day that it was Barzini.

Then, at Vito’s funeral everyone, including Tessio, was kissing Barzini’s ring. That was confirmation of two things. (Barzini and Tessio)

Tom couldn’t have realized it because not even Vito realized it until that day, after the meeting

Now, Bruno Tattaglia was the one that killed Luca .... in the book Bruno was an expert with the knife and he stabbed Luca in the hand pinning it to the bar so Luca could be garroted. But it was his older brother Philip who was in charge of the family and the rift over Saliozzo is what had everyone fooled about it being the Tattaglias in the first place.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 11:59 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27302 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:15 pm to
The real question is who left the drapes open in Kate's bedroom and then killed the assassins?

Freedo claimed his innocence to Michael and seemed genuinely suprised by the Johnny Ola call.Plus I believe both assassins were killed with a knife...don't think Fredo had that capability.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted by TigerScratch
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2005
1310 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

Was this something that could have been surmised by a "wartime" consigliere


I always assumed this was the reason that Michael removed him as consigliere as soon as he became boss and had the Don take over that position.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30414 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

Tattaglia


The least respected hood in a movie until Miller's Crossing gave us Johnny Caspar in its opening scene.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:03 pm to
Geeze spoiler alert next time!
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95788 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 9:04 pm to
Pssst... it was his sled!
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21171 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

I always assumed this was the reason that Michael removed him as consigliere as soon as he became boss and had the Don take over that position.


I think Michael was a little resentful of Tom's status, which got fleshed out more in part II. Tom was Sonny's friend, not Michael's. Michael had his father's advice regardless, so there was no reason to tell Tom he was "out." It was some kind of loyalty test. And then later we find out Michael thinks he can make Tom some kind of corporate attorney for the Corleone Family going legit. So it's a little convoluted for Michael to act like Tom needed to be removed because of the Barzini thing.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:53 pm to
The Don advises Michael...


"Now listen : Who ever comes to you with this Barzini meeting... He's the traitor.
Don't forget that."

I love that scene.

And this one:

Settling all family business
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 11:00 pm
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