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re: Seinfeld’s decline after Larry David left
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:27 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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I loved the finale and thought it ended fine, with the last scene being completely perfect. I think the people who complain about the finale and say it sucked just had unrealistically (and impossibly) high standards for the show's end.
I was fine with it also. The way Jerry Seinfeld explained it made sense. He said the finale illustrated how selfish and self absorbed the characters actually were.
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Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:42 pm to weagle99
LD > Seinfeld
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:46 pm to weagle99
There were a few episodes that were kind of dumb, like Puerto Rican Day, which is now banned in an early case of virtue signalling by NBC.
I agree with the author that there was a noticeable change and sometimes it led to some overly whacky and try-hard moments. But overall, seasons 8-9 had some great episodes, many of which that were mentioned in the article, like Serenity Now, Merv Griffin Show, The Slicer, Reverse Peephole, The Wizard, The Maid.
I wasn't a big fan of the finale. It just didn't feel like a Seinfeld episode. I get that what they tried to do, but it just didn't work.
I agree with the author that there was a noticeable change and sometimes it led to some overly whacky and try-hard moments. But overall, seasons 8-9 had some great episodes, many of which that were mentioned in the article, like Serenity Now, Merv Griffin Show, The Slicer, Reverse Peephole, The Wizard, The Maid.
I wasn't a big fan of the finale. It just didn't feel like a Seinfeld episode. I get that what they tried to do, but it just didn't work.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:53 pm to weagle99
Seinfeld is still massively overrated in pop culture.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:54 pm to GetCocky11
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Yeah, they brought up classic moments in Seinfeld history (frogger, kenny rogers, merv griffen) to try and reinforce their point that the show stunk at the end. ? Not a smart move by the author.
The Merv Griffen episode is the greatest single sitcom episode of all time.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:59 pm to SUB
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I agree with the author that there was a noticeable change and sometimes it led to some overly whacky and try-hard moments
tha'ts one of the big things I take issue with. The thigns they did in 8/9 weren't any more whacy or off the wall than things they had done in teh previous 4 or 5 seasons. The writer also said that in 8/9 it was trying to hard to force memorable episodes or catchphrases, then IN THE SAME SENTENCE mentions the contest and the puffy shirt. It doesn't even make logical sense the things they are saying.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:00 pm to hsfolk
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hated the series finale, nobody would be in jail for not helping during a carjacking
....... That's literally a law in this country
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:02 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Seinfeld is still massively overrated in pop culture.
in what way? It's likely the greatest sitcom of all time and could make an argument for being one of the best TV shows of all time. I guess what I'm asking is...how do you think it should be "rated"?
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:12 pm to weagle99
I haven't watched many episodes over the past 5-10 years but something happens to me at least once/week that makes me think back to a character or situation from the show. There have been a couple of times recently that I realized how much technology has changed since.
I liked the ending at the time. I recall some people not being satisfied with it, although there have been many other shows with huge anticipation for their endings since then that also got a lot of criticism. I think it's nearly impossible for a show to rise to the level of a Seinfeld and create an ending that leaves everyone happy.
I liked the ending at the time. I recall some people not being satisfied with it, although there have been many other shows with huge anticipation for their endings since then that also got a lot of criticism. I think it's nearly impossible for a show to rise to the level of a Seinfeld and create an ending that leaves everyone happy.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:19 pm to weagle99
Larry King: "You gave it up right? So they didn't cancel you, you cancelled them?"
Seinfeld: "Your not aware of this? You think I got cancelled? You're under the impression I got cancelled?"
Larry King: "Don't most shows go down a little?"
Seinfeld: "Most people do also. I was the #1 show on television Larry. Do you know who I am? 75 million viewers, last episode."
Larry King: "Okay, don't take it so bad."
Seinfeld: "Well it's a big difference between being cancelled and being #1."
I don't remember anyone talking about or thinking the show had declined (except maybe Larry King) which is why the finale was such a disappointment for most.
Seinfeld: "Your not aware of this? You think I got cancelled? You're under the impression I got cancelled?"
Larry King: "Don't most shows go down a little?"
Seinfeld: "Most people do also. I was the #1 show on television Larry. Do you know who I am? 75 million viewers, last episode."
Larry King: "Okay, don't take it so bad."
Seinfeld: "Well it's a big difference between being cancelled and being #1."
I don't remember anyone talking about or thinking the show had declined (except maybe Larry King) which is why the finale was such a disappointment for most.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:19 pm to litenin
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I think it's nearly impossible for a show to rise to the level of a Seinfeld and create an ending that leaves everyone happy.
agree. It's hard to even comprehend in today's modern society but in 1998 before internet really became a thing seinfeld was on top of the universe. It was a phenomenon and there was likely no way they could have done a finale that would please everyone or live up to the stratospheric expectations people had for it. Like someone above mentioned it kept the characters true to their form, it brought back former characters we loved, it didn't have some big grand spectacle like a wedding or other nonsense, and it ended wiht the same conversation that opened the pilot. I couldn't ask for anything more.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:20 pm to weagle99
I didn't sense any drop off.
LD was obviously a key cog and that spilled into the last 2 seasons.
LD was obviously a key cog and that spilled into the last 2 seasons.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:23 pm to LasVegasTiger
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What season was Merv Griffin episode? Because that episode is one of the GOATs.
Season 9 - the final season.
I would argue that season 9 is the best season top to bottom.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:23 pm to weagle99
Definitely felt it declined. Still some really funny episodes, but more hit or miss.
But that happens to most shows that run that long, with or without Larry David.
But that happens to most shows that run that long, with or without Larry David.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:26 pm to Speedy G
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Definitely felt it declined. Still some really funny episodes, but more hit or miss.
I just looked up every episode from seasons 8 and 9 and I can truly say (for me personally obviously, not everyone may agree) there isn't a single miss. Like literally not a single one.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:35 pm to hsfolk
The trial was just a medium for a curtain call to diff characters and memorable moments for the life of the show. There was no complex plot that needed to be tied up in the finale. It just wasn't that type of show.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:01 pm to weagle99
Disagree.
The Strike was in season 9!!! That is the episode which introduced the world to Festivus!!!
The Strike was in season 9!!! That is the episode which introduced the world to Festivus!!!
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:05 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:not exactly. Jason Alexander disliked working with her bc he didn't mesh with her time. The others didn't really have many scenes with her, but Jason got them to see it. The Susan character had run its course.
IIRC pretty much the entire cast hated working with her and they basically had no choice but to write her off.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:10 pm to arcalades
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not exactly. Jason Alexander disliked working with her bc he didn't mesh with her time
what do you mean?
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:10 pm to hsfolk
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nobody would be in jail for not helping during a carjacking
Because every other scenario in Seinfeld is completely plausible??
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