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re: Perry Mason | Season 2 | HBO (Spoilers)
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:10 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:10 am to BluegrassBelle
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DOWNEY
He will get S3. They set it up nicely with that rich cünt getting investigated at the end. Della not only finna lick her titties but also defend her crossing somebody next season.
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 8:44 am to BluegrassBelle
Great finale. His client was guilty, goes to Alcatraz for thirty years, and it's a "win". 
Only on this series.
Only on this series. 
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:17 am to Boss13
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Unpopular opinion, this season fell flat compared to the last one. The last episode 100% fizzled into nothing.
Della is a perfect character and I don't mean that in a good way. She literally has no flaws. Poor character who was essentially a Duex Ex Machina. She always had the right answer in the right way and has no personal flaws. Her entire arc this season was a rom-com without the block and without the com. In the last episode she sat next to the DA while Perry (the title character) stood behind her, a power move that is not believable in this kind of story. She is literally better than him in every way and they even say it out loud at the end of the season.
The black gangster is basically not a gangster because he only wants to further the black community, no selfish motivations whatsoever, cheapening his character.
The brothers were basically shown to be perfect, having no selfish motives despite killing a man for money. This is a stark contrast to the first season where the mother, though beating the murder rap was still clearly fighting her own demons.
Perry, though a lion in the courtroom, is weak and acquiescent when dealing with all his minority friends. Everyone except Mason is just too perfect.
I hope they've gotten all this out of their systems and can write a gritty noir for the third season or this show will just become a shallow legal drama like Boston Legal. A shame considering how good the first season was.
I love this show, but I actually agree with pretty much all of this. This season was about how great Della is. And she is, she's extremely impressive with no flaws. Perry took a backseat pretty much the entire season and was typically not the one solving anything. Even the secretary was solving stuff over Perry.
Season one just had a more dynamic story with better characters and a stronger mystery. Perry was more of what you'd hope a show about Perry Mason to be.
Still one of the better shows on TV and I could re-watch that for sure, but it did fizzle and will be even less satisfying if the show ends there.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:53 am to iwyLSUiwy
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This season was about how great Della is. And she is, she's extremely impressive with no flaws. Perry took a backseat pretty much the entire season and was typically not the one solving anything. Even the secretary was solving stuff over Perry.
I don’t mind Street getting some pub as she’s a good character. I don’t think she’s infallible though. She has a tendency to trust a little to quickly (see her initial admiration of Camilla), she’s the one that put the gun in the safe, she cheated on her girlfriend Hazel (even though I think the new girlfriend is better suited). She took risks running around like she did with the new girlfriend and it almost cost her (Camilla had those pictures). I much prefer her portrayal in this series versus the original where she was a secretary with some “will they or won’t they” stuff with Perry.
Perry’s flawed but has a great sense of what’s right and what’s wrong. And he’s willing to take the heat when what he feels is right isn’t popular. That’s really the core
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:21 am to BluegrassBelle
Every main character is fallible in this series. Building Della up only led to her having a huge come-to-Jesus moment where she realized how gullible she really was.
I'll say it again, this series is a how-to on presenting minorities heroically in a historic fashion (without warping reality to make their stories fit.) Della, Paul, Burger... they all get shite done, but they have to do it within the confines of their times.
Paul Drake has to deal with his place in white society, as well as what black society demands from him. Same with Della. She wants to help Burger, but Burger has his own personal agenda when it comes to how to deal with being a depression era gay.
And they didn't just shoehorn Della into cross-examining witnesses, they made it believable that there was value in a woman carefully questioning about a girl-beater, instead of hound-faced Mason leading the charge.
Hoping more showrunners and creators take note.
I'll say it again, this series is a how-to on presenting minorities heroically in a historic fashion (without warping reality to make their stories fit.) Della, Paul, Burger... they all get shite done, but they have to do it within the confines of their times.
Paul Drake has to deal with his place in white society, as well as what black society demands from him. Same with Della. She wants to help Burger, but Burger has his own personal agenda when it comes to how to deal with being a depression era gay.
And they didn't just shoehorn Della into cross-examining witnesses, they made it believable that there was value in a woman carefully questioning about a girl-beater, instead of hound-faced Mason leading the charge.
Hoping more showrunners and creators take note.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I don’t mind Street getting some pub as she’s a good character.
I do to. I don't think you could say this is just her getting some pub though. She was essentially the main character in a show called Perry Mason. Her love story was more of a focus than Perry's, she was smarter than Perry, she was the one that actually had the "Perry mason moment" in the courtroom/by far the best part of the courtroom scene, and was referred to as the star of the case after it was over.
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I don’t think she’s infallible though. She has a tendency to trust a little to quickly (see her initial admiration of Camilla), she’s the one that put the gun in the safe, she cheated on her girlfriend Hazel (even though I think the new girlfriend is better suited). She took risks running around like she did with the new girlfriend and it almost cost her (Camilla had those pictures)
But none of those took away from her character. She hides the gun but she doesn't face repercussions. She cheats on her girlfriend but you're glad she does because the person she is getting with is a more interesting character/better fit. She took risks running around with her girlfriend but that's ok because she's gay and it's a difficult time to be gay. I prefer this to the "will they won't they" portrayal too and perfect is maybe too much but she's as close to it as you can get.
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Perry’s flawed but has a great sense of what’s right and what’s wrong. And he’s willing to take the heat when what he feels is right isn’t popular. That’s really the core
Perry being flawed is one reason why he is a great character and more interesting character than Della. So having him take a bit of a backseat to her is one of the reasons S1 > S2 for me (but in fairness S1 was one of my favorite seasons of TV in recent memory). Like I say, I loved this season, but the finale was a bit of a let down.
I can't imagine there not being another season unless the ratings/viewership was really bad, which I haven't checked. They set it up really nicely for a third season. But not even knowing if they are yet means that probably wouldn't be released until 2025 at the earliest, ugh. I hate the major gaps in between seasons for everything now.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 9:37 pm to Boss13
Just finished the season and thought it was pretty good.
I agree that her character is boring, but I don’t think she’s perfect. She cozies up to Camilla without realizing Camilla is a snake in the grass.
She tells Perry there’s precedent for hiding the gun and ultimately lands him in jail.
She puts herself in a position to get blackmailed and gets bailed out by the fact that they’re able to flip Phipps.
She’s an old friend of Hamilton’s. Didn’t she introduce Perry to him in season 1?
I mean, he makes Drake beat Ozzie to a pulp - mostly because Ozzie wasn’t paying his dues. “No selfish motivations whatsoever” feels like a stretch.
This I would agree with for the most part. We do have Perry’s visceral reaction when he finds out they’re guilty but yeah - it does seem like a “happy” ending for them even though one of them gets 30 years.
Ehh I don’t think Pete, Drake, or Hamilton are perfect. Pete fricks over both Mason and Drake to get ahead at the DA’s office. Drake wants to do good but flies off the handle at times, like when he chews out his brother in law for not getting the “right” info on the stakeout. Hamilton ostensibly cares about truth & justice but it’s a veneer - you can tell he cares about his own political future more when push comes to shove, IMHO.
It definitely wasn’t as dark as season 1. But I don’t think it’s all sunshine and rainbows either.
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Della is a perfect character and I don't mean that in a good way. She literally has no flaws. Poor character who was essentially a Duex Ex Machina. She always had the right answer in the right way and has no personal flaws.
I agree that her character is boring, but I don’t think she’s perfect. She cozies up to Camilla without realizing Camilla is a snake in the grass.
She tells Perry there’s precedent for hiding the gun and ultimately lands him in jail.
She puts herself in a position to get blackmailed and gets bailed out by the fact that they’re able to flip Phipps.
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In the last episode she sat next to the DA while Perry (the title character) stood behind her, a power move that is not believable in this kind of story.
She’s an old friend of Hamilton’s. Didn’t she introduce Perry to him in season 1?
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The black gangster is basically not a gangster because he only wants to further the black community, no selfish motivations whatsoever, cheapening his character.
I mean, he makes Drake beat Ozzie to a pulp - mostly because Ozzie wasn’t paying his dues. “No selfish motivations whatsoever” feels like a stretch.
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The brothers were basically shown to be perfect, having no selfish motives despite killing a man for money. This is a stark contrast to the first season where the mother, though beating the murder rap was still clearly fighting her own demons.
This I would agree with for the most part. We do have Perry’s visceral reaction when he finds out they’re guilty but yeah - it does seem like a “happy” ending for them even though one of them gets 30 years.
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Everyone except Mason is just too perfect.
Ehh I don’t think Pete, Drake, or Hamilton are perfect. Pete fricks over both Mason and Drake to get ahead at the DA’s office. Drake wants to do good but flies off the handle at times, like when he chews out his brother in law for not getting the “right” info on the stakeout. Hamilton ostensibly cares about truth & justice but it’s a veneer - you can tell he cares about his own political future more when push comes to shove, IMHO.
It definitely wasn’t as dark as season 1. But I don’t think it’s all sunshine and rainbows either.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 9:04 am to lostinbr
In Perry's first meeting with the brothers he did a bunch of measurements and it looked like he concluded they couldn't have physically committed the murder. Did I miss something? Was it explained why he was wrong or do I have it completely wrong?
Posted on 5/2/23 at 6:18 pm to Dave Worth
No they never really explained it. I think part of his conclusion was that it had to be a hit (not a robbery gone wrong) due to the position of the shooter. Which turned out to be correct.
But I never saw any elaboration on the measurements he took of the brothers themselves.
But I never saw any elaboration on the measurements he took of the brothers themselves.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 6:37 pm to lostinbr
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No they never really explained it. I think part of his conclusion was that it had to be a hit (not a robbery gone wrong) due to the position of the shooter. Which turned out to be correct.
But I never saw any elaboration on the measurements he took of the brothers themselves.
That's what I understood it to mean as well. The story was that they had robbed him at gunpoint and Rafe's fingerprint was planted on the car to further push that narrative. He was just disproving that she shooting didn't occur in a struggle or at close range like it would in a robbery.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 9:06 am to lostinbr
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I think part of his conclusion was that it had to be a hit (not a robbery gone wrong) due to the position of the shooter. Which turned out to be correct.
Good answer that makes sense. Thanks!
Posted on 5/3/23 at 2:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
While this show is still better than most, it just barely held my attention this season.
The case was pretty ‘meh’ tbh, and the overall show felt fairly sanitized compared to season 1. Also, they might need to change the name of the show to Della Street, because it basically felt like her show this season. However, I did enjoy the addition of Ginny Ames, I do love me some Katherine waterston.
After season 1 my hopes were high for the followup, perhaps too high, and while I’d watch a third season, I also wouldn’t be devastated if it didn’t come back.
The case was pretty ‘meh’ tbh, and the overall show felt fairly sanitized compared to season 1. Also, they might need to change the name of the show to Della Street, because it basically felt like her show this season. However, I did enjoy the addition of Ginny Ames, I do love me some Katherine waterston.
After season 1 my hopes were high for the followup, perhaps too high, and while I’d watch a third season, I also wouldn’t be devastated if it didn’t come back.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 7:53 pm to PhilipMarlowe
We just started this season last night. Got through the first 2 episodes and it is excellent. About to watch 2 more.
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